Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 15th Nov 2013 22:50 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless

I bought a Droid 4 twenty-one months ago.

As a devout user of physical QWERTY keyboards, I'm pretty sure I'm screwed.

Great article by Sean Hollister on the demise of the QWERTY slider. In the article, Hollister speaks with Doug Kaufman, manager of handset strategy for Sprint, and his revelations are intriguing - it's not so much that people do not want hardware keyboards; it's that people want iconic, flagship phones - like the S4, like the 5S - with huge marketing pushes. Since nobody is pushing a flagship QWERTY slider... Nobody buys them. However, when you ask consumers what they want, physical keyboards are very, very popular.

And so, Kaufman admits: if there was an HTC One or Galaxy S4, a top-of-the-line phone, but with a keyboard - it would sell.

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RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510
by MOS6510 on Sun 17th Nov 2013 08:09 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by MOS6510"
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Eh, so you don't want to look at the screen when typing (meaning you don't see the screen) and complain a virtual keyboard takes up too much of the screen (you'd need to look and see more than when typing blind)?

I can understand people prefer hardware keyboards to virtual ones. But like the article has shown I also think they're just not many of you.

Yes, a virtual keyboard takes up screen estate, but what are you writing that takes so many words? The size and the weight of the physical keyboard remain even when not typing while the virtual one disappears.

A physical keyboard adds to the cost, size weight, fragility and what does it add? An extra keyboard, you'd also have the virtual one.

Most people don't type that much. If you do wouldn't something else than a phone be more convenient? A tablet with a keyboard beats a phone with a physical keyboard. You can detach it and leave it at home if not needed. Or bring it along, it doesn't take up much space.

I just think number of people && typing a lot on a mobile phone == very small number.

There are Bluetooth keyboards and probably very small ones too. They'd type better than a virtual keyboard, probably, but I've never seen anyone use one. Probably because most people can manage fine with the virtual keyboard for their small bursts of text input.

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RE[3]: Comment by MOS6510
by WereCatf on Sun 17th Nov 2013 09:38 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510"
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Eh, so you don't want to look at the screen when typing (meaning you don't see the screen) and complain a virtual keyboard takes up too much of the screen (you'd need to look and see more than when typing blind)?


For one, when typing on a virtual keyboard you have to pay a lot attention to where you place your fingers because there just is no tactile feedback whatsoever, making it cumbersome. When typing on a H/W keyboard I don't need to pay so much attention to my fingers, meaning that I can devote more of it towards what I'm actually writing.

But like the article has shown I also think they're just not many of you.


I don't know, nor do I claim to know. What I do know, however, is that manufacturers keep on pushing for ever thinner phones and that means they'll scrap H/W keyboards for thinness -- I have no way of accessing their marketing data to know whether it's the people themselves asking for such trade-off or whether it's just the CEOs themselves who believe that thinness is the ultimate end-all-be-all measure of the quality of a phone.

Yes, a virtual keyboard takes up screen estate, but what are you writing that takes so many words?


Depends. I often write long SMS-messages, for example, or I may wish to respond quickly to a forum posting somewhere, or I may need to write up something for later use.

The size and the weight of the physical keyboard remain even when not typing while the virtual one disappears.


Well, I'm not made of spaghetti, I can handle 10 grams more weight.

A physical keyboard adds to the cost, size weight, fragility and what does it add? An extra keyboard, you'd also have the virtual one.


It'd add, you know, a physical keyboard. I do not give a flying f--k about a whopping centimeter or even two more in bulkiness or 10 grams in weight.

Most people don't type that much. If you do wouldn't something else than a phone be more convenient? A tablet with a keyboard beats a phone with a physical keyboard.


No. I carry a phone with me at all times, and it's a lot smaller than a tablet. I don't want to carry both around with me unless I have a specific need and considering the fact that a phone already caters to 99% of my mobile needs I would really just be carrying a tablet along with me for no good reason. Also it'd be just ridiculous to whip out the tablet and a mobile keyboard and settle down somewhere every time I want to write a message.

I just think number of people && typing a lot on a mobile phone == very small number.


You've clearly never met an average teenager.

There are Bluetooth keyboards and probably very small ones too.


How do you hold both a phone and the keyboard and still manage to type with it? That's the obvious reason for why you ain't seeing them anywhere.

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RE[4]: Comment by MOS6510
by MOS6510 on Sun 17th Nov 2013 10:05 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by MOS6510"
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For one, when typing on a virtual keyboard you have to pay a lot attention to where you place your fingers because there just is no tactile feedback whatsoever, making it cumbersome. When typing on a H/W keyboard I don't need to pay so much attention to my fingers, meaning that I can devote more of it towards what I'm actually writing.


True.


I don't know, nor do I claim to know. What I do know, however, is that manufacturers keep on pushing for ever thinner phones and that means they'll scrap H/W keyboards for thinness -- I have no way of accessing their marketing data to know whether it's the people themselves asking for such trade-off or whether it's just the CEOs themselves who believe that thinness is the ultimate end-all-be-all measure of the quality of a phone.


With all phones looking the same now companies seek ways to make their device cooler than the other and they do this with specs, thinness being one of them. Apple made this "important" as they keep stating how thing their products are compared to their previous versions, but it was probably Motorola with the Razor that made thin phones a trend.

I'm an Apple person, but I'd rather have them not make their next iPhone even thinner. Keep it as thin as it is now and increase the battery life. I want to play 3D games for 24 hours and still be able to tweet I'm going to bed AND still have enough juice to wake me up the next day.


Depends. I often write long SMS-messages, for example, or I may wish to respond quickly to a forum posting somewhere, or I may need to write up something for later use.


That's doesn't sound like a lot of text though. To make a reminder you can also use dictation or simply record your voice. I sometimes make notes while driving and not touch or see my phone at all while doing it.


Well, I'm not made of spaghetti, I can handle 10 grams more weight.


I used to have a Nokia E90. If I put it in my trousers people thought I was a very happy man, if I put it in my jacket it would pull it down on one side.


It'd add, you know, a physical keyboard. I do not give a flying fuck about a whopping centimeter or even two more in bulkiness or 10 grams in weight.


Most people don't want this. My personally I'd rather add 10 grams and increased size to have a bigger battery.


No. I carry a phone with me at all times, and it's a lot smaller than a tablet. I don't want to carry both around with me unless I have a specific need and considering the fact that a phone already caters to 99% of my mobile needs I would really just be carrying a tablet along with me for no good reason.


I don't carry a tablet around unless I was planning to use it, but my phone handles most things even if a tablet or laptop would be better at certain times. I just don't think the time you do a lot of typing is that much compared to the time you don't. The few times you do it's more convenient to handle lesser convenience than to have a more expensive bulkier heavier phone all the time.


You've clearly never met an average teenager.


They're remarkable fast touch screen typists.


How do you hold both a phone and the keyboard and still manage to type with it? That's the obvious reason for why you ain't seeing them anywhere.


You sit down, just like you would with a tablet + keyboard or a laptop. I used to have a PocketPC with Bluetooth keyboard. It sounded like a good idea at the time, but it was more convenient to use the stylus to type if only because you needed it anyway after you were done typing.

Look, I'm not saying physical keyboards are bad or you are doing things wrong. I just don't think all the benefits of a keyboard outweigh the downsides and that a virtual keyboard, while less good, is good enough to be a replacement.

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