Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 15th Nov 2013 22:50 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless

I bought a Droid 4 twenty-one months ago.

As a devout user of physical QWERTY keyboards, I'm pretty sure I'm screwed.

Great article by Sean Hollister on the demise of the QWERTY slider. In the article, Hollister speaks with Doug Kaufman, manager of handset strategy for Sprint, and his revelations are intriguing - it's not so much that people do not want hardware keyboards; it's that people want iconic, flagship phones - like the S4, like the 5S - with huge marketing pushes. Since nobody is pushing a flagship QWERTY slider... Nobody buys them. However, when you ask consumers what they want, physical keyboards are very, very popular.

And so, Kaufman admits: if there was an HTC One or Galaxy S4, a top-of-the-line phone, but with a keyboard - it would sell.

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RE[7]: Comment by MOS6510
by WereCatf on Sun 17th Nov 2013 12:51 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by MOS6510"
WereCatf
Member since:
2006-02-15

I'm not aware of a Dutch one either, but I just speak English. That always works better anyway.


Well, doesn't work for me. It doesn't recognize Finnish names, Finnish locations, nor can I dictate any sort of messages in Finnish. Basically I could tell it what action I want taken in English, but then I wouldn't be able to take it any further than that.

If it's just a few words I'm sure you can bear the pain of touch typing those.


It's not about being able to, it's about wanting to have to bear the inconvenience.

Yes, there's an article on OSnews.com that mentions a number of people claiming they'd like a phone with physical keyboard and when one was made available they didn't show up.


So, was the phone with a physical keyboard otherwise the same as one of the popular models already in market? No? Well, then you're comparing apples and oranges. Manufacturers only release mediocre phones with H/W-keyboards, so it's no wonder they don't sell. For once I'd love to see a how a high-end phone stacks against itself with and without a H/W-keyboard and not these lame apples-and-oranges comparisons.

I even would question your priorities if you feel a need to type longs texts standing around somewhere.


As it happens there are plenty of times when I just do not have a table at hand nor can I just go home.

How many words do you want to see when you type? With a simple flick I can hide the virtual keyboard and see even more text.


And what does that prove? Wow, you can jump through an extra step to see the content that should be visible even without such steps? Well, colour me wholly unimpressed.

In other words, there is more than enough text in view when typing and when you are done typing it's easy to see even more.


"enough text" is a subjective thing. I would like to be able to see the whole message, not just parts of it.

So that leaves the point that physical keyboards are easier to type on. I'd say it's not that much easier.


Aye, you're entitled to having such an opinion, but as I've been saying I find virtual keyboards infuriatingly cumbersome. Swype, Thumb Keyboard, whatever -- they all cumbersome and slow.

All this so you can have physicals keys instead of using the virtual touch keyboards many people, including teenagers, are quite able to use?


I never said I'm not able to use a virtual keyboard. I mean, sure, I can use a rock to drive a nail in the wall, but that doesn't mean that a hammer wouldn't be better for that task.

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RE[8]: Comment by MOS6510
by MOS6510 on Sun 17th Nov 2013 13:22 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by MOS6510"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12


It's not about being able to, it's about wanting to have to bear the inconvenience.


Ah, so it's more of a luxury thing.


So, was the phone with a physical keyboard otherwise the same as one of the popular models already in market? No? Well, then you're comparing apples and oranges. Manufacturers only release mediocre phones with H/W-keyboards, so it's no wonder they don't sell. For once I'd love to see a how a high-end phone stacks against itself with and without a H/W-keyboard and not these lame apples-and-oranges comparisons.


I have no idea how good or bad the phone was. They asked the public would you buy one, the public said yes, the phone was released and the public didn't show up.

It's a guess, but I don't think an iPhone 5K would outsell and iPhone 5S. A small niche would buy one. But it would be too much hassle for Apple. All the different keyboards that need to be made. What if they get stuck with a number of Chinese phones, but they are out of stock in Finland? They can't even ship them there as most Fins don't want a phone with a Chinese keyboard.


As it happens there are plenty of times when I just do not have a table at hand nor can I just go home.


You must have a very busy life that sending these messages can't wait.


And what does that prove? Wow, you can jump through an extra step to see the content that should be visible even without such steps? Well, colour me wholly unimpressed.


Why should it be visible? I can see the entire, rather large, last message. I can see a whole lot and probably everything of each message I type.

How does your physical keyboard appear? Virtual keyboards appear automatically when needed and are easily disposed off. With physical ones you keep switching between them and the touch screen that is stuck in landscape mode.


"enough text" is a subjective thing. I would like to be able to see the whole message, not just parts of it.


An iPhone 5 is big enough, a 4S probably too. If you're in to Android you can get even bigger screens.


Aye, you're entitled to having such an opinion, but as I've been saying I find virtual keyboards infuriatingly cumbersome. Swype, Thumb Keyboard, whatever -- they all cumbersome and slow.


You admitted to standing while typing, so I assume you thumb type anyway. Yes, it is slower, but practice and your typing speeds will improve.


I never said I'm not able to use a virtual keyboard. I mean, sure, I can use a rock to drive a nail in the wall, but that doesn't mean that a hammer wouldn't be better for that task.


If you want to hit so many nails I'd suggest you bring the right tool for the job, so a laptop or one up over the phone: a tablet.

But how you describe your way of using technology I'm guessing you belong to a very small group that does it like that. That makes me doubt any company is going to take the gamble of making an high end phone with a physical keyboard.

Most mobile writers pack a laptop, because it has the best mobile keyboard.

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RE[9]: Comment by MOS6510
by zima on Wed 20th Nov 2013 18:11 in reply to "RE[8]: Comment by MOS6510"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

What if they get stuck with a number of Chinese phones, but they are out of stock in Finland? They can't even ship them there as most Fins don't want a phone with a Chinese keyboard.

AFAIK qwerty is standard in China (with a software input method). Plus I'd think other things (manual, box) would be different as well in purely touchscreen phone...

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