Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 15th Nov 2013 22:50 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless

I bought a Droid 4 twenty-one months ago.

As a devout user of physical QWERTY keyboards, I'm pretty sure I'm screwed.

Great article by Sean Hollister on the demise of the QWERTY slider. In the article, Hollister speaks with Doug Kaufman, manager of handset strategy for Sprint, and his revelations are intriguing - it's not so much that people do not want hardware keyboards; it's that people want iconic, flagship phones - like the S4, like the 5S - with huge marketing pushes. Since nobody is pushing a flagship QWERTY slider... Nobody buys them. However, when you ask consumers what they want, physical keyboards are very, very popular.

And so, Kaufman admits: if there was an HTC One or Galaxy S4, a top-of-the-line phone, but with a keyboard - it would sell.

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RE: Comment by MOS6510
by phoenix on Mon 18th Nov 2013 19:39 UTC in reply to "Comment by MOS6510"
phoenix
Member since:
2005-07-11

Don´t put a keyboard on a mobile phone.

It will make it bulkier, heavier, more fragile. And it will still be a crappy keyboard compared to a full-sized real one.


A hardware keyboard is better than an onscreen keyboard for anything beyond simple text messaging. Meaning, where you need to type more than plain English words. Like at an SSH prompt.

Don´t use your phone as a laptop, that´s what a laptop is for.


Why not? Phones have processing power equivalent to netbooks, so why not use that processing power for something actually useful? I carry a computer in my pocket. Why shouldn't I use it as a computer?

A mobile phone should be small, making is easy to carry, hold, put in your pocket.


Take it you've never held a Droid, a Photon Q, or an Xperia pro. These are all very pocketable phones, very easy to hold and use one-handed (portrait), but are also useful for more than just watching youtube.

Put a keyboard on a tablet or make it an option, like the Microsoft Surface. Those devices can have a keyboard with a useable size.


All of the above include keyboards, fit in jeans pockets, and provide all the benefits of tablets like the Surface ... without requiring a separate bag to carry them in.

Mobile phones have bad battery live. Why waste it even more trying to do too much on it, trying to do stuff on a device that´s not suited for it, even with a keyboard? Bring a tablet and 10 hours+ usage.


Bring a phone and get the same. What's your point?

Each device has its strengths and weaknesses. By trying to address its weaknesses you also weaken the strengths. A hamer and a screwdriver are both better than a hammer that can also screw. And look less silly too.


Why carry a hammer and a screwdriver and all the extras reqired for them, when I can just stick a Swiss Army knife or a multi-tool in my pocket? Takes less space, does the same work, it's always with me, etc.

Just because you don't like keyboard phones doesn't mean everyone should do what you do.

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RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510
by MOS6510 on Tue 19th Nov 2013 05:48 in reply to "RE: Comment by MOS6510"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

What use is SSH? I can only think or remote administration of a Linux server, which involves the <ctrl>, <esc> and | keys amongst others not generally featured on a physical mobile phone keyboard. This is probably an example where a virtual keyboard is even the better one.

SSH is not something companies use to promote their phone. Like WereCatf your use of a mobile phone is a-typical, but SSH'ing to remote servers is even more rare and something not enough people do to sell enough phones to make a profit.

A device with a real keyboard, like a laptop or even a netbook, is far superior to a mobile phone with physical keyboard when it comes to SSH. Using a phone to SSH is just wasting time when more quicker ways are available.

You may call your phone a Swiss knife, but someone who brings such a knife to a national carpenter competition will get destroyed by someone who brings a box of tools.

I always carry a real Swiss knife around and while it's great to have one when needed it doesn't hold against proper tools.

One last thing, I'm not against mobile phones with physical keyboards. Just because I think their added uses don't hold up against the downsides doesn't make me a hater.

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RE[3]: Comment by MOS6510
by phoenix on Wed 20th Nov 2013 00:09 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510"
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

What use is SSH? I can only think or remote administration of a Linux server, which involves the , and | keys amongst others not generally featured on a physical mobile phone keyboard. This is probably an example where a virtual keyboard is even the better one.


Nope. VX Connectbot (the best SSH client out there) includes keyboard mappings for quite a few keyboard sliders phone. These mappings give you access to every key on a normal keyboard. On the Xperia Pro, you have access to everything via either normal keypress, CTRL+keypress, Alt+keypress, or Sym+keypress (CTRL, ALT work the same as on a normal keyboard). IOW, never more than 3 key presses (normally only 2 unless you need to CTRL/ALT+symbol) to access any symbol on a keyboard (including tab, pipe, tilde, etc). Compare that to a virtual keyboard where you have to long-press keys or flip screens or whatever.

A device with a real keyboard, like a laptop or even a netbook, is far superior to a mobile phone with physical keyboard when it comes to SSH. Using a phone to SSH is just wasting time when more quicker ways are available.


Which is quicker:
1. Pull phone from pocket, start app, start typing, or
2. Pull laptop out of bag, turn on, wait for boot, login, wait for network, start app, start typing?

Also, my phone is with me 24/7. My laptop is rarely with me unless I specifically need it where I'm going.

Which is bulkier:
1. A phone in my pocket, or
2. A separate backpack to carry the laptop + gear?

You may call your phone a Swiss knife, but someone who brings such a knife to a national carpenter competition will get destroyed by someone who brings a box of tools.


And the person with the knife will probably survive a street fight in a dark alley (aka unexpected emergency in the data centre while out-of-the office) compared to the person who has to put their toolbox down, scrounge around in it for the right tool, etc.

One last thing, I'm not against mobile phones with physical keyboards. Just because I think their added uses don't hold up against the downsides doesn't make me a hater.


When you won't accept that there are legitimate uses for one, you are a hater.

Edited 2013-11-20 00:10 UTC

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