Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 3rd Dec 2013 19:04 UTC
Games

Absolutely fantastic article by Tracey Lien.

If the selection at the average retailer is anything to go by, girls don't play video games. If cultural stereotypes are anything to go by, video games are for males. They're the makers, the buyers and the players.

There is often truth to stereotypes. But whatever truth there may be, the stereotype does not show the long and complicated path taken to formulate it, spread it and have it come back to shape societal views.

The attitude towards women in video games is even worse when you take online multiplayer into consideration. One of my team mates in League of Legends is a woman, and I've seen some absolutely terrible things being thrown her way in chat - during and even after the game is over. I've also pretended to be female in League of Legends just to see what would happen, and it was just as bad. However, I could just shrug it off - hearing the things guys say while you're pretending to be a woman as an experiment is a hell of a lot different than hearing these things when you're actually a woman.

I even caught myself thinking 'my female team mate should just pretend to be a guy' - but you know what? That's expletive ridiculous. As Lien details in her article, changing the way video games are being marketed would be a very good first step that could most certainly snowball into the future.

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RE[7]: Appalling.
by Novan_Leon on Wed 4th Dec 2013 03:58 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Appalling."
Novan_Leon
Member since:
2005-12-07

I don't have a solution.

Just like the anti-slavery movement didn't really have a solution that everyone agreed to.

People like you have always been around when women and black suffrage movements were happening and will always be forgotten, or vilified for your cowardice and lack of perspective/action. An embarassing footnote on history.


Oh, cry me a river. Putting yourself on the side of the brave civil rights movement while painting me as one of the pathetic onlookers just sounds like a desperate move by someone with no argument.

You haven't advocated a single tangible, actionable change, so please dismount and give your high horse to someone who can actually contribute to the cause you claim to champion. Bravely crying, "change is possible!" while waving your finger and riding off into the sunset doesn't do anyone any good.

Edited 2013-12-04 04:01 UTC

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RE[8]: Appalling.
by kwan_e on Wed 4th Dec 2013 04:12 in reply to "RE[7]: Appalling."
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

Oh, cry me a river. Putting yourself on the side of the brave civil rights movement while painting me as one of the pathetic onlookers just sounds like a desperate move by someone with no argument.

You haven't advocated a single tangible, actionable change, so please dismount and give your high horse to someone who can actually contribute to the cause you claim to champion. Bravely crying, "change is possible!" while waving your finger and riding off into the sunset doesn't do anyone any good.


I haven't advocated one, because the other comments already made suggestions.

To counter THEIR suggestions, all you've provided is "I can't change the world, so none of you should try either and if you do, I'll just call you naive blah blah blah".

You fail simple logic. This isn't about me providing solutions. This is about solutions that are possible, and they don't have to be explicitly raised by me in order to exist. Others have suggested them. You're the one who has to put up or shut up.

If all you have to offer is "I can't see a way forward, so I'm removing myself from the solution", then you can easily say absolutely nothing and achieved the same effect.

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RE[9]: Appalling.
by Novan_Leon on Wed 4th Dec 2013 04:46 in reply to "RE[8]: Appalling."
Novan_Leon Member since:
2005-12-07

I think we're done here. As much as I'm tempted, trying to take this conversation any further would be an exercise in futility. My points all stand. Take them or leave them.

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RE[8]: Appalling.
by HappyGod on Thu 5th Dec 2013 05:29 in reply to "RE[7]: Appalling."
HappyGod Member since:
2005-10-19

Amen!

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