Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 3rd Dec 2013 19:04 UTC
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Absolutely fantastic article by Tracey Lien.

If the selection at the average retailer is anything to go by, girls don't play video games. If cultural stereotypes are anything to go by, video games are for males. They're the makers, the buyers and the players.

There is often truth to stereotypes. But whatever truth there may be, the stereotype does not show the long and complicated path taken to formulate it, spread it and have it come back to shape societal views.

The attitude towards women in video games is even worse when you take online multiplayer into consideration. One of my team mates in League of Legends is a woman, and I've seen some absolutely terrible things being thrown her way in chat - during and even after the game is over. I've also pretended to be female in League of Legends just to see what would happen, and it was just as bad. However, I could just shrug it off - hearing the things guys say while you're pretending to be a woman as an experiment is a hell of a lot different than hearing these things when you're actually a woman.

I even caught myself thinking 'my female team mate should just pretend to be a guy' - but you know what? That's expletive ridiculous. As Lien details in her article, changing the way video games are being marketed would be a very good first step that could most certainly snowball into the future.

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RE[9]: Dear fellow males
by Novan_Leon on Wed 4th Dec 2013 04:44 UTC in reply to "RE[8]: Dear fellow males"
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And I wager they're NOT the same. No matter how much you repeat that, it's not going to change. You believe they're similar because you've shown that you think they get the same threats you get, but you haven't adequately sampled what they actually get in real life.


I used to play Counter-Strike with many girl players. I've played MMOs with female players on a few occasions. I've seen the types of threats women get. Believe it or not, that's your choice. What evidence do you have to believe they're significantly worse than the threats male players receive?

As I said before, you're NOT in control, because you have to actually submit yourself to the abuse before being able to decide to push the spam/mute/report button. The alternative being is to block everyone indiscriminately from the outset, which, as I said already, defeats the purpose of social online gaming.


Play in a dedicated server. Play with friends. Play in a server that enforces decency rules. Mute players you don't know. It's simple. You may feel like it's too much work to bother and you may not like the fact that it's necessary or doesn't give you the "optimal experience", but that's just tough luck. That's reality. You're still in control.

I'm done here. I've had my say. If you don't understand me by now, I doubt there's much point in continuing the discussion further.

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RE[10]: Dear fellow males
by kwan_e on Wed 4th Dec 2013 05:45 in reply to "RE[9]: Dear fellow males"
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I used to play Counter-Strike with many girl players. I've played MMOs with female players on a few occasions. I've seen the types of threats women get. Believe it or not, that's your choice. What evidence do you have to believe they're significantly worse than the threats male players receive?


Uh, I've come across them? How about that? If you've come across the threats and that's good enough evidence, then surely the examples I come across is just as good evidence. And if I should take your word even though you failed to provide examples when asked, then you should equally take my word for it too.

Unless you want to argue special pleading and for double-standards, which is what I expect people like you really want.

Play in a dedicated server. Play with friends. Play in a server that enforces decency rules. Mute players you don't know. It's simple. You may feel like it's too much work to bother and you may not like the fact that it's necessary or doesn't give you the "optimal experience", but that's just tough luck. That's reality. You're still in control.

I'm done here. I've had my say. If you don't understand me by now, I doubt there's much point in continuing the discussion further.


I completely understand you. Doesn't mean I have to agree with you. Your basic gist is that it's not big enough of a problem.

The fact you acknowledge the existence of servers that do enforce decency rules means others do see it as a big problem and they DO actually ENFORCE decency rules.

If everything really is in control, then those servers shouldn't exist. Yet, those servers DO exist, because the culture itself is harmful to enjoying the online experience whether or not you can block people. Not every gamer should be loners who only communicate with people they know and not try to make online friends.

There's not much in continuing this discussion, because all you people trying to show how cynical you are can provide nothing but "I can handle it, it's your fault you're not like me,". Yes, they're not like you and they shouldn't have to change their personality just because you say so.

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