Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 4th Dec 2013 18:06 UTC

"Joining the Linux Foundation is one of many ways Valve is investing in the advancement of Linux gaming," Mike Sartain, a key member of the Linux team at Valve said. "Through these efforts we hope to contribute tools for developers building new experiences on Linux, compel hardware manufacturers to prioritize support for Linux, and ultimately deliver an elegant and open platform for Linux users."

Mark my words: Valve will do for Linux gaming what Android did for Linux mobile. Much crow will be eaten by naysayers in a few years.

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Oiaohm; you're trying your hardest to pretend that the sun shines out of open source developers butts - carefully choosing facts that suit your argument (and then stretching them as far as you think you can) and ignoring everything else. I don't know if you're stupid or dishonest, but I don't really care enough to find out which.

Oiaohm; my video cards are only about 5 years old (Radeon HD 4770, released in 2008). Initially the best I could get was unstable 2D (screen flickering black when scrolling, mouse pointer turning to trash occasionally, random crashes). Support improved over time and after 2 years video finally worked properly (including 3D acceleration, etc). Then I had about 6 months of drivers that actually worked before Xorg assholes broke it again. For comparison, there's a "Windows Vista" machine sitting next to it that is even older; where updating the video driver is a few mouse clicks with no chance of "update breakage" (and not a single bug or glitch from the start). It doesn't matter who you blame, it's not good enough.

Oiaohm; I don't care if most of the problems were bugs in X11 and not "Xorg policy". I don't care if it was AMD/ATI's fault that smaller OSs like FreeBSD and Solaris weren't able to support DRI1/DRI2/DRI3 quickly enough and therefore made it impractical for AMD/ATI to change their "intended for many OSs" driver over to something only Linux supported.

Oiaohm; I also don't care if everything has improved a lot recently or if it might work if I upgraded to recent X11 and open source ATI driver today. The fact is that after years of pain there's no way in hell I'm willing to do anything that might upset the "carefully balanced pile of turds" I've got and risk ending up knee deep in shit again.

Oiaohm; don't get me wrong - I'm not saying that all of Linux is bad (it's rock solid for most things), and I'm not considering using any other OS for servers or as a programming environment; however, I'd still rather waste $$$ on a stupid locked down X-Box (that we all know will be useless/obsolete junk in 4 years) than to attempt to get "free" software working for 3D gaming.

Also note, Oiaohm, that I've tried to put your name at least once in every paragraph in the hope that I sound like a patronising jerk. It seems to be fashionable..

- Brendan

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Brendan Solaris and FreeBSD both had DRI1 support by the year 2000. So why was ATI still using pre DRI in there driver development in 2006. Cost cutting/stupidity.

So no it was ATI not supporting current. 2006 was AMD acquirement of ATI. Radeon HD 4770 tech development was 2006. There is bit of a lag between tech development and production release.

2006 it was also announced by AMD that the cards in the class your is would have to live with the Open Source driver only at some point.

Brendan basically the best thing that could happen was ATI be acquired. Fixing up the stack of garbage they left behind is not simple.

I choose a card that was support and support well by Linux.

You were informed in 2006 that support would end but you paid no attention.

September 4, 2008 is DRI 2 and Freebsd and solarias are picking up by 2011. So yes there is a 2 to 3 year lag.

Brendan the reality is you choose a card where the maker was not producing current drivers. Now are complaining when it does not work any more. Ok it does work now but with open source drivers that are still missing a few feature. The maker is working on restoring all those feature.

Really are you kidding me with Windows Visa and no possibility of breakage. Try running some of the non proper supported video card in it you know the ones that force you to use direct x 9 drivers.

Brendan there is linux/windows compatible hardware and Linux incompatible hardware. This is not a Linux thing.

Did you build that machine to be a Linux machine. I would say no. Because in 2006-2008 building a Linux machine would have equaled using a Nvidia video card not an ATI one due to the crap poor support ATI drivers were.

My Nvidia card is a Geforce 6. My card is older than your. Has had way less issues.2004-2005 card.

I will get 10 years of operational life out the Geforce 6 with min issues before I have to replace it. Nvidia did promise this.

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"Also note, Oiaohm, that I've tried to put your name at least once in every paragraph in the hope that I sound like a patronising jerk. It seems to be fashionable.."

Haha, this is so true it really made me laugh!

The real irony is that earlier in these comments I was arguing that the over-zealousness of linux community members was an overstated generalization, and yet here we have a poster who makes an incredibly solid case for the argument lucas_maximus was making.

I like linux and want to promote more widespread adoption. However even for me it's a real turn off when when someone is as stubborn as an ass and refuses to consider the needs of the community as a whole. There's always room for improvement and I'm confident that linux is improving all the time. But the extreme arrogance of some individuals is very discouraging to those who want join the linux community and make it better. At least I know they are in the minority, but they are still giving linux the reputation that lucas_maximus was referring to.

Edited 2013-12-07 06:10 UTC

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