Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 9th Dec 2013 17:47 UTC
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The giants of the tech industry are uniting to wage a campaign for sweeping reforms to the National Security Agency.

Google, Facebook, Twitter, Yahoo, Microsoft, Apple, LinkedIn and AOL are setting aside their business rivalries to demand that Congress and President Obama scale back the government's voracious surveillance.

These companies had little to no qualms about teaming up with the US government back when it was all done in relative secrecy, but now that it's out in the open, they're acting like heroes. This campaign would never have been launched if Snowden hadn't blown the whistle, which means the motive behind this new campaign is money - not morality.

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RE[2]: Comment by Nelson
by Nelson on Mon 9th Dec 2013 18:46 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Nelson"
Nelson
Member since:
2005-11-29

How ignorantly cynical of you.
If elections are meaningless its because the voting electorate has failed in its duty to be informed and involved in the issues.

That's where scapegoating companies comes in.

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RE[3]: Comment by Nelson
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 9th Dec 2013 19:08 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Nelson"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

If elections are meaningless its because the voting electorate has failed in its duty to be informed and involved in the issues.


Oh god.

You must be the last person in the world who still believes the US electoral system has even one ounce to do with the electorate.

Hilarious. And kind of adorable.

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RE[4]: Comment by Nelson
by Nelson on Mon 9th Dec 2013 19:15 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Nelson"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

That's a dangerous way of thinking. If you resign yourself to the notion that your vote doesn't matter, then it certainly never will. This is why we're in such a state of affairs.

People looking for a finger to point, blame to assign to anyone except themselves for allowing policies they disagree with to be enacted.

Cynicism is self defeating, and American citizens who feel like darknexus are actively making it harder to make a difference.

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RE[3]: Comment by Nelson
by woegjiub on Mon 9th Dec 2013 21:25 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Nelson"
woegjiub Member since:
2008-11-25

The democrats are meant to be the left-wingers, yet the've been heavily pro-military and pro-corporation.
Neither Democrats or Republicans are going to do anything to change the shitty culture of fear that has lead to things like the PATRIOT ACT and PRISM.

Because a massive percentage of the US are rednecks/religious fundamentalists, you're not going to see any large shift towards the greens or libertarians either.

Ergo, there is no point in voting in the US.
Which sucks for the 96% of humanity that *don't live there*, yet are spied upon and have their countries controlled by the US.

Most countries aren't much better; I'm an Australian, so I know my racist and conservative country is far from exemplar, but damn it if I don't want the US to just fuck off and stop controlling us.

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RE[4]: Comment by Nelson
by kwan_e on Tue 10th Dec 2013 00:17 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Nelson"
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

The democrats are meant to be the left-wingers, yet the've been heavily pro-military and pro-corporation.


Not to the rest of the world, they aren't. Meant to be left-wingers, that is.

At it's most left, Democrats are centrists.

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RE[4]: Comment by Nelson
by ricegf on Tue 10th Dec 2013 01:49 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Nelson"
ricegf Member since:
2007-04-25

Libertarians who align generally participate in the Republican party, since the R's favor slightly less government than the D's overall.

Greens generally align with the D's, since the D's are a more natural fit for more aggressive government regulation of corporations necessary to enforce environmentally friendly policy.

And ample precedent exists for major policy change driven by the electorate.

For example, the US exit from Vietnam was implemented by Mr. Nixon as a result of growing anti-war sentiment among the young voters, over the objection of the "old guard".

More recently, the electoral success of the Reform Party in the early 1990s led to an odd alliance between Mr. Clinton and the new Republican majority in congress to balance the budget.

And the TEA Party has had a lot of success pushing the Republicans back toward fiscally restrained policies popular in the 1990s, while the gay rights movement has flipped even Mr. Obama into an ally.

While American politics lack the rough and tumble of many-party republics such as are popular in Europe, it's a mistake to assume the people lack influence over our government.

Don't mistake a general apathy for lack of power. We're one charismatic leader away from the next (peaceful) revolution.

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