Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 9th Dec 2013 22:43 UTC
Windows

Two changes supposedly coming to the next version of Windows, according to veteran Paul Thurrott:

Metro apps running in windows on the desktop. As you can today with third-party utilities such as ModernMix, the next version of Windows will let users optionally run Metro apps in floating windows on the desktop.

Start menu. After bringing back the Start button in Windows 8.1, Microsoft will take the next logical step in the next Windows version and make the Start menu available as an option. It's possible this will appear only on those product versions that support the desktop.

This would be Microsoft admitting they got Windows 8 all wrong.

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Laurence
Member since:
2007-03-26

If you are going to blather on about familiarity, as far as I am concerned it is fifth monkey effect.

Agreed. You've gotten so use to arguing that MS is perfect and so used to defending their cluster-f--ks that you can't even remember why it is that you like them. You just defend them because you've always defended them.

For what it's worth, I hate the ribbon bar too. Whether it's because I'm used to the old menu based system or whether it's because ribbon really is a mess - the fact remains that I can never find a sodding thing in any of the applications that use ribbon yet I can find stuff quickly in any menu based application even when I've not used it in years. So as far as I'm concerned, ribbon slows productivity and raises my stress levels - which much means ribbon fails to address the fundamental problems it set out to solve.

Edited 2013-12-10 14:12 UTC

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Your attitude seems to show you are the sixth monkey as we making lame insults to make some dubious point.

This is what you are doing:

http://xkcd.com/1172/

Arguing whether something is better UX because you find it more difficult in your experience is completely misunderstand what UX is about. UX is about learn-ability. e.g. Until I used Word 2007, I had no idea that Styles event existed, this would suggest it is more learn-able ... but anecdotes don't make an argument.

As for the snarky Mis-quote you can f--k off. My argument I think it is pretty sound and I backed it up with some evidence, instead of making a dubious statement and making out like it was a fact which is what OP is guilty of.

I prefer to use Google Docs these days because it is easier to share and collaboratively edit docs.

Edited 2013-12-10 15:26 UTC

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Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

Arguing whether something is better UX because you find it more difficult in your experience is completely misunderstand what UX is about.

No it's not. My user experience is no less important than anyone else's and if I have issue with the UX of something, then I have every right to explain why.

I do happen to find the ribbon completely unusable. I hate it. This obviously wont be the case for everyone, but it is the case for myself and the others who have argued with you in this thread.

UX is about learn-ability. e.g. Until I used Word 2007, I had no idea that Styles event existed, this would suggest it is more learn-able ... but anecdotes don't make an argument.

Since experience is anecdotal, I beg to differ.

Your attitude seems to show you are the sixth monkey as we making lame insults to make some dubious point.

This is what you are doing:

No, I'm just using the same dumb attacks you made against the other person. If you don't like it then perhaps you should stop acting like such a pathetic child whenever someone disagrees with you about your precious Microsoft - who apparently can do no wrong. Here's a news flash for you: not everyone considers every idea to come out of Redmond to be a triumph. And their opinions matter too.

Anyway, insults aside, I can accept that some people like the ribbon, but I do not. It does look messy to me because you have a seemingly random splodge of large icons, smaller icons, some icons with labels, some without, some you click to reveal a drop down menu, others you click to execute. And then there's that silly overflow button in the bottom right corner (which took me months to find!). And you have all of that hidden under more tabs than there were top level menus in the original layout.

Being dyslexic, I struggle reading through tabulated and lined data enough at the best of times, I don't need an interface that randomly places different sized objects and with different interactions. That's just nasty to use. And yes I know there is a structure to it all, but that structure isn't obvious to me. If anything it just looks like they had to fill a space of specific dimensions and then set out to try and fill that - which would have been fantastic if the aim of the exercise was to create a mosaic :p

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MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

The ribbon looks messy at first (and at second), but I just went over all the buttons and then I have a good idea what's possible and where everything is.

You can customize the ribbon. Just get rid of everything you dont't need or don't understand. Then it looks much simpler.

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phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

You can customise toolbars as well. Just get rid of what you don't need and make them simpler.

Oh, wait, they got rid of those too. If we could already make the existing interface simpler, why the need to replace it whole-hog?

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