Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 9th Dec 2013 22:43 UTC
Windows

Two changes supposedly coming to the next version of Windows, according to veteran Paul Thurrott:

Metro apps running in windows on the desktop. As you can today with third-party utilities such as ModernMix, the next version of Windows will let users optionally run Metro apps in floating windows on the desktop.

Start menu. After bringing back the Start button in Windows 8.1, Microsoft will take the next logical step in the next Windows version and make the Start menu available as an option. It's possible this will appear only on those product versions that support the desktop.

This would be Microsoft admitting they got Windows 8 all wrong.

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Treza
Member since:
2006-01-11

Okay, another ribbon hater here.

I used to have a single icon bar with the features I used the most, it occupied less area than the ribbon. Dynamic toolbars appeared as needed (for drawing,...).

My issues with the ribbon:
- Poor discoverability and organisation. There are many places to click and hidden dialogboxes and menus. For example : How to set the grid in PowerPoint ? There are both old style dialogboxes and pop-down non modal fields. Inconsistent.
- Hardcoded. Non user configurable. Many people use Office with all sort of crazy macros, which cannot be inserted gracefully into that bloody ribbon.
- Terrible when the width of the application is reduced. New, unfamiliar and useless icons appears...
- Word: Stylesheets. Braindamaged. Encourages modifying letters instead of setting styles.
- Bad for keyboard navigation. Microsoft never helped to learn key sequences.

There are many other issues I won't bother detailing.

The right click popupmenu and icons are really a missed opportunity. IMHO, Microsoft should have made the icon set of this menu user configurable and dynamic. For the remaining functions, menus, and text search of commands...

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

I used to have a single icon bar with the features I used the most, it occupied less area than the ribbon. Dynamic toolbars appeared as needed (for drawing,...).


I think we are going back into this territory.

http://xkcd.com/1172/


- Poor discoverability and organisation. There are many places to click and hidden dialogboxes and menus. For example : How to set the grid in PowerPoint ? There are both old style dialogboxes and pop-down non modal fields. Inconsistent.


I dispute this if we were talking about Word or Outlook (as I use them all the time), but Powerpoint or Excel I rarely use so you could well be right.

- Hardcoded. Non user configurable. Many people use Office with all sort of crazy macros, which cannot be inserted gracefully into that bloody ribbon.


I think the idea is that you aren't supposed to.

Terrible when the width of the application is reduced. New, unfamiliar and useless icons appears...


After making responsive websites now, I have to agree. It pisses me off when I can't snap a Window and have the controls work properly ... note this is for a lot of applications (Visual Studio does this as well, And pretty much every inspector tool for browsers).

If I can do this with some CSS, it can be done on my Samsung S3 and on my iPad, I am sure they could do it with native applications.

Word: Stylesheets. Braindamaged. Encourages modifying letters instead of setting styles.


It almost works like HTML / CSS, so maybe because I am a web dev but I really don't see a problem. You give it the correct element type and when you change the style everything changes consistently ...

Bad for keyboard navigation. Microsoft never helped to learn key sequences.


http://support.microsoft.com/kb/290938

It is either F6 or mashing the Tab button to get to the right menu item. I don't understand why you would navigation the menu with a keyboard unless you mouse was broken?

Edited 2013-12-10 23:46 UTC

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Treza Member since:
2006-01-11

- For the last part, about keyboard, it is not so much ribbon related that the way Microsoft never shows keyboard shortcuts. There were almost absent in menus, they could appear in help bubbles on the ribbon elements.

Unlike Macs which show a lot of keyboard shortcuts.

The ribbon could be reflowing, like a responsive website. It would be interesting. Made of live tiles à la "Metro".

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