Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 11th Dec 2013 11:32 UTC
Microsoft

Ina Fried has just confirmed the Nokia Android phone - and even argues that Microsoft might go ahead with actually releasing it.

According to a Nokia source, the software has a look more similar to Windows Phone than to the "squircle" icons used on the Asha. Normandy would also serve as a way to deliver Microsoft services such as Bing and Skype.

That is seen by some at Microsoft as a more palatable alternative than seeing more of those first-time smartphone buyers sign up not just for Android but also for Google's array of services.

Makes sense. It does raise another question, though: wouldn't this be yet another operating system Microsoft would need to develop and support?

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RE[6]: Mistake
by Nelson on Thu 12th Dec 2013 11:06 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Mistake"
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That's nice, but what does it have to do with WP7 and WP8?

Besides, I don't think a survey with a total sample size of 105 CIOs it is representative of any meaningful trend...


This has always been about Microsoft allegedly not being relevant in enterprise, something patently false. That's despite JAlexoid and your attempt to reframe the argument.


I have seen other surveys:

http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2265311/byod-to-be-widespread-in-bus...

...saying BYOD will hit nearly 50% of all businesses in the next two years. CIOs don't get much say about all of those purchases, will they?

And that survey involved 2000 CIOs...


That's the advantage of Microsoft being a vendor of management tools, the email infrastructure, Office, Windows, Sharepoint, etc.

Microsoft is highly, highly entrenched in the enterprise. They're being paid one way or another.


Anyway, I work at a company that considers itself a "Microsoft Shop". We use most of their infrastructure management tools, almost all of our desktops are Windows 7/8, we use Exchange for Email, SQL for our databases, Office for our productivity tools, etc. etc.

We used to issue BBs for phones. Switched to BYOD about 2 years ago, and we let users pick from iOS, Android, or WP.


Illustrates the point I just made. WP for now having low enterprise penetration is completely aside from Microsoft dominating the enterprise.


Phone may creep up to 5%-10% marketshare for a while, but I see no reason to believe it will ever get anywhere north of that - especially when you factor in that the nearly half of all business phones will be bought through consumer channels in the coming years...


That nay or may not be the case, but fortunes change and tables turn. Microsoft's enterprise position gives it an opportunity to have a conversation about a completely vertical solution where they have a compelling story. What happens down the road, does the consumeration of IT fizzle out, is it a given that BYOD is here to stay? We'll see.

Edited 2013-12-12 11:12 UTC

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RE[7]: Mistake
by galvanash on Thu 12th Dec 2013 11:17 in reply to "RE[6]: Mistake"
galvanash Member since:
2006-01-25

This has always been about Mucrosoft allegedly not being relevant in enterprise, something patently false. That's despite JAlexoid and your attempt to reframe the argument.


I don't know what "this" you are talking about... The post you replied to was about Windows Phone not being relevant - and your comment offered nothing to contradict that argument.

I certainly think Microsoft is extremely relevant in the enterprise market. But Windows Phone?

Uh, no.

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RE[8]: Mistake
by Nelson on Thu 12th Dec 2013 12:14 in reply to "RE[7]: Mistake"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

And the poster that he replied to made the original assertion that Microsoft wasn't relevant, I'm not sure why I have to spell this out for you. I replied to the chain of comments.

Windows Phone having low enterprise penetration, while a situation that's improving, isn't all the way there yet. An argument can be made, as I alluded to that CIOs in a position to issue company mandated phones are increasingly moving towards Windows Phone.

A separate, independent argument can be made that Microsoft wins either way due to their enterprise value add and management technology. That's probably a given at this point though. Enterprise is a $20B business for Microsoft (across Server, Management, CRM, and Exchange excluding Office).

A third argument can be made that BYOD may not stick around for good. It comes with its own set of problems and failings, its by no means a silver bullet and feelings on it are far from universally positive.

The central point that ties all of this together is what I believe to be Microsoft's strong positioning regardless of how it ends up playing out.

This takes critical thinking though.

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RE[7]: Mistake
by JAlexoid on Fri 13th Dec 2013 17:16 in reply to "RE[6]: Mistake"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

This has always been about Microsoft allegedly not being relevant in enterprise, something patently false. That's despite JAlexoid and your attempt to reframe the argument.


Really? Always?
Because the context of this comment thread are mobile phones, steering the conversation back into the area of the topic is somehow reframing the argument!?!?!

There is no argument that Microsoft is relevant in the enterprise, yet WP is not. And no matter how much you wish to wave your hands, neither is WinRT or full blown Windows tablets at the moment.
BYOD is all the rage, not Windows.

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RE[8]: Mistake
by BallmerKnowsBest on Fri 13th Dec 2013 18:46 in reply to "RE[7]: Mistake"
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2008-06-02

Really? Always?
Because the context of this comment thread are mobile phones, steering the conversation back into the area of the topic is somehow reframing the argument!?!?!


Riiiiiiiight, that must be why you didn't raise that point in any of threads that were actually relevant to phones - but instead, you posted it as a direct response to a series of comments that were specifically about Microsoft being taken seriously in the enterprise.

But hey, why pass up an excuse to hop on the same old tired soapbox & repeat the same old tired gloating over WP for the umpteenth time, right?

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