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A federal judge in Washington ruled on Monday that the bulk collection of Americans' telephone records by the National Security Agency is likely to violate the US constitution, in the most significant legal setback for the agency since the first disclosures prompted by the whistleblower Edward Snowden.

Judge Richard Leon declared that the mass collection of metadata probably violates the fourth amendment, which prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures, and was "almost Orwellian" in its scope. In a judgment replete with literary swipes against the NSA, he said James Madison, the architect of the US constitution, would be "aghast" at the scope of the agency’s collection of Americans' communications data.

It's just a preliminary ruling, and while the judge stated that he would most likely uphold the preliminary ruling after the merits of the case have been handled, there's probably thousands of appeals and stuff like that where this could crumble into dust.

Once a government has obtained a power, it rarely releases it. That's the nature of government - it can only grow.

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Yup
by WorknMan on Tue 17th Dec 2013 00:03 UTC
WorknMan
Member since:
2005-11-13

Once a government has obtained a power, it rarely releases it.


So you liberals keep that in mind the next time you insist that the government should do this or that ;)

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RE: Yup
by darknexus on Tue 17th Dec 2013 00:34 in reply to "Yup"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

"Once a government has obtained a power, it rarely releases it.


So you liberals keep that in mind the next time you insist that the government should do this or that ;)
"

Took the words right out of my mouth. ;)

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RE[2]: Yup
by darknexus on Tue 17th Dec 2013 00:35 in reply to "RE: Yup"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

"[q]Once a government has obtained a power, it rarely releases it.


So you liberals keep that in mind the next time you insist that the government should do this or that ;)
"

Took the words right out of my mouth. ;) [/q]
In the interest of fairness though, I have to say the modern Neocons are just as bad as the liberals. Both want increased government power and control, just in different areas.

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RE: Yup
by Soulbender on Tue 17th Dec 2013 10:16 in reply to "Yup"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

The government should do this and that. In fact, it should do many things and they should be for the benefit of the citizens. The problem seems to be that that government isn't doing it's job.
If you want a government that does nothing, well, there are plenty of banana republics you could move to and see how well that works out.

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RE: Yup
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Tue 17th Dec 2013 19:20 in reply to "Yup"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

This comment doesn't make much sense to me.

The things that a modern liberal/progressive wants government to do. Well, They want the government to do them. I'm not sure there are any cases I can think of where they've changed their minds about the role of government.

It kind of seems like you are admonishing a particular political group with an obvious truism without any particular relevance.

In short, it looks like flamebait.

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RE: Yup
by bassbeast on Tue 17th Dec 2013 19:34 in reply to "Yup"
bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

The problem in the USA is either 1.- the government does it or 2.- Supermegacorp gets a monopoly and royally screws everyone. there really isn't a middle ground anymore, not with millions in bribes being handed out.

For examples of what happens when you "leave it to the free market(TM)" see healthcare, where we are #1 in costs but #37 in quality of care, or broadband where nearly 100 million Americans have no access to broadband at all and the top speeds in the megacities trail what most backwater spots in the EU and Asia get. in my area the cable and DSL duopoly hasn't run a single foot of line in a decade, why should they? they have already cherry picked the rich white neighborhoods, the rest can get reamed with cell phone net.

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