Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 17th Dec 2013 00:05 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless

We just discovered an issue in both 1.0.0.5 and 1.0.1.10 today which causes update of the store token required for accessing store repositories to fail. A fix for that has been pushed a few minutes ago: The update to version 1.0.1.12 you might be seeing on your device soon contains exactly this one fix to keep store access working.

My Jolla arrived this morning, and I've been playing with it all day. It is by far the most exciting device and operating system I've used in a long, long time. When it arrived, the first update to the operating system was already waiting for me to be installed - and only a few hours later, another update is hitting the device. They have promised another large bugfix and stability update before the end of the year, with updates with new features arriving early next year.

These men and women know what they're doing. They're not overselling, and they keep their promises. A very promising start.

Thread beginning with comment 578850
To view parent comment, click here.
To read all comments associated with this story, please click here.
RE[3]: Comment by shmerl
by Soulbender on Tue 17th Dec 2013 11:44 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by shmerl"
Soulbender
Member since:
2005-08-18

Uh, they don't have any users in the U.S.

It has to be addressed, but with caution.


It does? Why? With access to markets like Asia and Europe that greatly outnumber the U.S why would they bother?
The U.S market is simply not as important as it once was.

Reply Parent Score: 7

RE[4]: Comment by shmerl
by Morgan on Tue 17th Dec 2013 14:42 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by shmerl"
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

Uh, they don't have any users in the U.S.


Potential customers are still customers, if there is demand. I'd love to buy this phone.

It does? Why? With access to markets like Asia and Europe that greatly outnumber the U.S why would they bother?


I would say because the US is still a world player no matter how much you wish it wasn't. I simply don't understand this attitude; why wouldn't they want to reach out to a large, consumer oriented populace? Are you afraid that if it didn't perform well in the US, it would somehow hurt sales in Europe and Asia? Because I doubt that would be the case; the Nokia N900 was basically a failure here, but thrived in other markets.

You say the US isn't as important as it once was, so why muster up the effort to oppose Jolla coming here? What are you so afraid of?

Reply Parent Score: 1

RE[5]: Comment by shmerl
by wojtek on Tue 17th Dec 2013 15:08 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by shmerl"
wojtek Member since:
2010-01-24

I simply don't understand this attitude; why wouldn't they want to reach out to a large, consumer oriented populace?


Because (especially for a small company) costs of fighting with those gigantic-patent-trolls simply outweights potential benefits? There are other markets and it seems that Jolla is doing quite ok in Asia.

This goes both ways (we may want netflix or whatever - not on the speed with those services, don't use them, netflix pops up quite a lot so I gather it's desired) but I don't see it happening anytime soon and huge potential userbase outside US is understood yet this changes nothing...

Reply Parent Score: 6

RE[5]: Comment by shmerl
by Soulbender on Tue 17th Dec 2013 17:31 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by shmerl"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Potential customers are still customers, if there is demand.


No, they're still just potential customers, not actual customers. That's not saying they're not important but they're not the same.

I would say because the US is still a world player no matter how much you wish it wasn't.


I never said it's not a player, I said the U.S market is not as important as it once was. It's perfectly possible to be an important global player and make good profits without having a presence in the U.S.

why wouldn't they want to reach out to a large, consumer oriented populace?


Because of the stated problems with your patent system, among other things. Apparently the positive aspects of entering that market does not outweigh the negative ones at this point in time. Maybe your legislation will change (yeah right) or Jolla may at some point grow to such a size that they feel differently about it. That time is however not now.

so why muster up the effort to oppose Jolla coming here


I really don't care if they enter or not.

Reply Parent Score: 5

RE[5]: Comment by shmerl
by zima on Fri 20th Dec 2013 22:00 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by shmerl"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

the Nokia N900 was basically a failure here, but thrived in other markets.

Thrived?

Reply Parent Score: 2

RE[4]: Comment by shmerl
by shmerl on Tue 17th Dec 2013 16:46 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by shmerl"
shmerl Member since:
2010-06-08

Uh, they don't have any users in the U.S.


And how would you know? Jolla didn't publish any statistics so far. And those who preordered from US are still waiting. There surely is a demand for Jolla/Sailfish in US which they didn't address yet.

Saying US market is not important is not just short sighted, it's insulting for users there. It's weird for companies to segment out markets just to dismiss people based on "unimportance" (like many media companies do with regional exclusive releases). Jolla is not ignoring anything out of bad will, they just have limited resources and do things gradually.

Edited 2013-12-17 16:53 UTC

Reply Parent Score: 1

RE[4]: Comment by shmerl
by bassbeast on Tue 17th Dec 2013 19:09 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by shmerl"
bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

Because like it or not what becomes a hit in the USA ends up a hit elsewhere? And don't forget we in the USA have the most powerful advertising on the planet in the form of Hollywood,why do you think Apple made sure so many shows and movies have them using Apple devices? Folks want what they see in the movies and the vast majority of the big flicks? USA.

Reply Parent Score: 3

RE[5]: Comment by shmerl
by Soulbender on Tue 17th Dec 2013 19:32 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by shmerl"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Jolla disagrees and obviously does not think it's worth the effort.
Really, there's no need to get so defensive.

Reply Parent Score: 5

RE[5]: Comment by shmerl
by shmerl on Tue 17th Dec 2013 19:42 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by shmerl"
shmerl Member since:
2010-06-08

Hollywood doesn't care about startups. I don't think Jolla should care about Hollywood either. Dealing with them means obliging their DRM craze which Jolla has no interest in: https://sailfishos.org/wiki/QA

Will you support DRM

No.


Edited 2013-12-17 19:45 UTC

Reply Parent Score: 5

RE[5]: Comment by shmerl
by WereCatf on Tue 17th Dec 2013 19:52 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by shmerl"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

None of that really matters. The market in the U.S. is wholly start-up hostile and it's not a good place for Jolla to enter yet. How the patents system over there works is so that the larger your patent pool the easier it is for you to defend yourself and to harass others, and this again translates into more resources and you being able to prolong and prolong any possible court-cases over and over so long that a small start-up like Jolla simply has no chance to grow. The system is stacked in favor of already-established, large players and against newcomers.

Jolla may enter the market later on, but for now growth is in their best interests and that is best achieved in other markets.

Reply Parent Score: 8