Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 17th Dec 2013 00:05 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless

We just discovered an issue in both 1.0.0.5 and 1.0.1.10 today which causes update of the store token required for accessing store repositories to fail. A fix for that has been pushed a few minutes ago: The update to version 1.0.1.12 you might be seeing on your device soon contains exactly this one fix to keep store access working.

My Jolla arrived this morning, and I've been playing with it all day. It is by far the most exciting device and operating system I've used in a long, long time. When it arrived, the first update to the operating system was already waiting for me to be installed - and only a few hours later, another update is hitting the device. They have promised another large bugfix and stability update before the end of the year, with updates with new features arriving early next year.

These men and women know what they're doing. They're not overselling, and they keep their promises. A very promising start.

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RE[4]: Other open platforms
by Lennie on Tue 17th Dec 2013 18:15 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Other open platforms"
Lennie
Member since:
2007-09-22

Well: HTML5 runs on all platforms and the proprietary platforms too. Including laptop and desktop.

So it could still be the winner.

Firefox OS phones are cheap and work pretty well. And needs less memory because it only needs to run one runtime.

I don't think there is a real high-end FirefoxOS phone yet though.

So maybe FirefoxOS ? Or at least HTML5-apps for many applications.

Is there an anything missing from a FirefoxOS-phone which it couldn't support ?

Anyway the goal of FirefoxOS, like the Firefox browser is to promote the use of webtechnologies. It does not exist to win the platform or browser wars. Just for the open web platform to win to platform wars.

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RE[5]: Other open platforms
by moondevil on Tue 17th Dec 2013 20:16 in reply to "RE[4]: Other open platforms"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

Just for the open web platform to win to platform wars.


I might be on the losers side, but I side with the native guys.

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RE[6]: Other open platforms
by Lennie on Tue 17th Dec 2013 23:38 in reply to "RE[5]: Other open platforms"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

HTML5 has it's advantages, but it is hard to predict what will happen.

Usually the open platform eventually wins, but it takes a lot of time and hard work, because the proprietary, probably closed and possibly native solutions are always first in a market. It takes time to create standards.

Have a look at for example what things Mozilla had to implement (a lot did not have a web standard yet):

https://wiki.mozilla.org/WebAPI

You have to think of a solution, create it in a way which is portable and still flexible, supporting many different implementations or devices and screensizes. And propose that to the different W3C working groups for development as a standard.

Then other companies can join the effort to write a specification. They might have different ideas or priorities. So you'll have to collaborate.

Before you get to that stage you might be able to start to develop parts of the code, but you can't release your code as-is to the public yet. As the API isn't stable yet.

At the moment Firefox OS has a small following, but there are millions of webdevelopers and only 100's of thousands of iOS/Android developers.

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RE[5]: Other open platforms
by thulfram on Tue 17th Dec 2013 20:21 in reply to "RE[4]: Other open platforms"
thulfram Member since:
2013-10-11

Good point. The Firefox OS phone is fast and light (and doesn't seem to drain power as often as my Androids and iPhones).

I think it has everything a cell phone wants. Right now there's 700 games in the Marketplace, some of them good. That's enough for me. Call, surf, play music and games.

I've looked at the other development environments and they all seem to want additional tools or extra frameworks. FFOS has a framework you can use for UI, but isn't required. You can do vanilla HTML5, Firefox Browser, the B2G plug-in, and notepad. That's it.

Has anyone figured out the Windows 8 Phone story on HTML5? I hear yes and no and maybe.

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RE[6]: Other open platforms
by Lennie on Tue 17th Dec 2013 23:18 in reply to "RE[5]: Other open platforms"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

Microsoft keeps telling people it's possible, but I haven't looked at it.

This has a bunch of links:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17205844/is-it-possible-to-devel...

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

HTML 5 on one platform may not be the same HTML 5 on another. With different JS libraries to manipulate the DOM and interface with the hardware and OS.

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RE[6]: Other open platforms
by Lennie on Tue 17th Dec 2013 23:34 in reply to "RE[5]: Other open platforms"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

It might not be, but you always gain from having more portable code. And the same goes for the design of the app. You can use responsive design. Which scales your application to the screensize.

Also there are design principles like degradation graceul and progressive enhancement which allow you to only support what a device supports.

Someone asked today in the comments about HTML5 apps for Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8. Have a look at home easy it is:

http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Inside+Windows+Phone/Developing-in-H...

You can probably skip the introduction at go directly to 3:45.

Edited 2013-12-17 23:48 UTC

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