Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 18th Dec 2013 17:24 UTC
Windows

2013 was nothing less than a blockbuster success for Windows Phone, which went from industry also-ran to the undisputed third mobile ecosystem, and is poised to challenge iPhone for the number two spot. You didn't think it could get this good? That's OK, neither did I.

Windows Phone seemingly turns a corner with every new application, small operating system update, and new Nokia Lumia. It's turning so many corners it's running in circles.

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RE: Comment by Nelson
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Wed 18th Dec 2013 18:16 UTC in reply to "Comment by Nelson"
Bill Shooter of Bul
Member since:
2006-07-14

Globally this is the growth.

Windows Phone ended 2012 with worldwide market share of 2.8 percent


By the end of this year, things are looking better, and much better in many countries. Worldwide, Windows Phone commanded 3.6 percent worldwide market share


While the individual company market shares are growing, globally its still not very growing much. The real story of the numbers is more about BB10 dying, IOS growth stagnating, and Android KILLING EVERY ONE.

I'll believe Windows phone is a real contender when someone I know (regardless of country they live in) has one.

EDIT: Or the division turns a profit. Although that's less of a concern now that its a part of Microsoft, I imagine they want a profit out of it. Rather than just driving traffic to their web services to show them ads, like Google.

Edited 2013-12-18 18:21 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by Nelson
by Nelson on Wed 18th Dec 2013 18:19 in reply to "RE: Comment by Nelson"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Yup. Success isn't simultaneous across all markets all at once, but looking at a region by region breakdown am interesting picture starts to form.

Global market share is a lagging indicator I'd say, and I expect them to make inroads there after making significant headway in these markets.

I think its fair to say though, based on the regional data that Windows Phone is doing increasingly well.

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RE[3]: Comment by Nelson
by ddc_ on Wed 18th Dec 2013 20:38 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Nelson"
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2006-12-05

I think its fair to say though, based on the regional data that Windows Phone is doing increasingly well.

This reminds of the "fastest growing" xkcd comics. Sure, Windows Phone has beaten everyone on grows stats, but the actual percentage is arguable within the range of statistic fault - it may simply indicate a growth by eating up BB's market share decrease, in which case it indicates that WP is not doing well.

You are totally right that Microsoft have huge amount of resources that may help WP grow (and FWIW some Android vendors work hard to make WP look better by making their Android devices truly horrible), but it won't be right time to speak of any success until WP has at least 10% - an amount of market presence that would make it noticeable. Right now it is in the same boat with BB and arguably with Sailfish and FirefoxOS (FxOS?).

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RE[2]: Comment by Nelson
by lucas_maximus on Wed 18th Dec 2013 19:05 in reply to "RE: Comment by Nelson"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

In Europe they are doing quite well in the low end.

As much as this matters generally from feedback I had from people that I know that have one are:

* Quite happy with the phone and are pleasantly surprised. (I even heard this from a guy that used to write commericial embedded Operating Systems and is a SQL GOD).
* The girls that have them like the colours.

Disclaimer: I own a Galaxy S3 Mini.

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RE[2]: Comment by Nelson
by moondevil on Wed 18th Dec 2013 19:59 in reply to "RE: Comment by Nelson"
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2005-07-08

I'll believe Windows phone is a real contender when someone I know (regardless of country they live in) has one.


Then come to Germany, you will see quite a few around.

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RE[2]: Comment by Nelson
by jgfenix on Thu 19th Dec 2013 07:52 in reply to "RE: Comment by Nelson"
jgfenix Member since:
2006-05-25

I would say that it has more to do with the demise of Symbian inside Nokia.

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RE[3]: Comment by Nelson
by cdude on Thu 19th Dec 2013 19:28 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Nelson"
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2008-09-21

Nailed. Nokia had the strongest brand loyalty and yet lost 9 out of 10 customers with WP. So, somehow 9 out of 10 ex-customers where satisfied with Symbian but are not with WP. Thats a lot. Thats with so called outdated Symbian!

Still 1 out of 10 customers stayed with Nokia and got a Lumia since Nokia does not offer anything else. And now Nokia is gone. So, what will the 1 out of 10 customer left do? Switching to Android like the other 9? Not a significant number on top of >80% market share Android but for ~3% market share WP any lost customer is, in relative percentage, another big step backwards.

Edited 2013-12-19 19:37 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by Nelson
by zima on Sun 22nd Dec 2013 00:15 in reply to "RE: Comment by Nelson"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

I'll believe Windows phone is a real contender when someone I know (regardless of country they live in) has one.

Is that the metric? Because I know several, does that make it a raving success?

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