Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 18th Dec 2013 20:47 UTC
Apple

Apple today announced the all-new Mac Pro will be available to order starting Thursday, December 19. Redesigned from the inside out, the all-new Mac Pro features the latest Intel Xeon processors, dual workstation-class GPUs, PCIe-based flash storage and ultra-fast ECC memory.

This thing is so damn awesome. I don't need it, but I still want one.

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Comment by smashIt
by smashIt on Wed 18th Dec 2013 21:14 UTC
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2005-07-06

I don't need it, but I still want one.


I'd recommend a wait-and-see tactic
IMO the heatsink is not upt to the task of cooling 2 firepro w9000 and a xeon e5 12-core

but the powersupply seems even worse
W9000 275W each
xeon 130W
rest ~50W (ram, ssd, ...)
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730W
if the powersupply has an efficiency of 90% it should consume ~800W under full load

what does apple say about maximum power-consumption?
450W

this won't end well

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RE: Comment by smashIt
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 18th Dec 2013 21:15 in reply to "Comment by smashIt"
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2005-06-29

I doubt Apple would get something like that wrong... Right?

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RE[2]: Comment by smashIt
by smashIt on Wed 18th Dec 2013 21:22 in reply to "RE: Comment by smashIt"
smashIt Member since:
2005-07-06

I doubt Apple would get something like that wrong... Right?


they did get it wrong in the past

the first generation of mac pros (donT know about the later ones) did overheat under load
same with their laptops


----------edit-----------
another indication of a thermal-problem in the iMer is it's computational power
according to apple it can do 7 TFLOPS with 2 W9000 cards
but it should be 8 TFLOPS
ergo: they are already underclocking them by more than 10%

Edited 2013-12-18 21:27 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by smashIt
by Bobthearch on Thu 19th Dec 2013 01:37 in reply to "RE: Comment by smashIt"
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2006-01-27

I doubt Apple would get something like that wrong... Right?


And when some part in the distant future needs replacing, it'll be simple and inexpensive to do because the MacPro is made with standardized components... Right?

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RE[2]: Comment by smashIt
by Anonymous Penguin on Thu 19th Dec 2013 18:48 in reply to "RE: Comment by smashIt"
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2005-07-06

Thom, I believe this thing is not going to sell, at least not to the target audience, pro users. It might sell to Apple aficionados, though. People with a lot of money who don't really need it.

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RE[2]: Comment by smashIt
by zima on Sun 22nd Dec 2013 00:40 in reply to "RE: Comment by smashIt"
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2005-07-06

I doubt Apple would get something like that wrong... Right?

Apple did get it wrong with overheating of Mac Cube. Also, in more distant past, Apple III.

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RE[2]: Comment by smashIt
by theTSF on Mon 23rd Dec 2013 15:39 in reply to "RE: Comment by smashIt"
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2005-09-27

Apple does have a tendency to under value the damage that heat has on a System. However with jobs gone, the engineers may have a say now.

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RE: Comment by smashIt
by Ultimatebadass on Wed 18th Dec 2013 21:53 in reply to "Comment by smashIt"
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2006-01-08

UNDERCLOCK ALL THE THINGS!!1

;)

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RE: Comment by smashIt
by joshv on Thu 19th Dec 2013 00:53 in reply to "Comment by smashIt"
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2006-03-18

It doubles as a room heater.

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RE: Comment by smashIt
by galvanash on Thu 19th Dec 2013 13:00 in reply to "Comment by smashIt"
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2006-01-25

I'd recommend a wait-and-see tactic
IMO the heatsink is not up to the task of cooling 2 firepro w9000 and a xeon e5 12-core


I agree, but you can look at this argument from the other direction. Maybe we should wait and see if the D700 (the high end GPU) really is a w9000 before assuming that the thing will need to dissipate 550W of GPU power.

I find it somewhat odd that even though they are now on sale and you can order one, Apple still doesn't disclose the exact specs of the D700...

http://www.apple.com/mac-pro/specs/

They list the other two lower end card's details, but the D700 is suspiciously absent.

Anyway, I assumed the D700 was a w9000 too because the specs more or less line up - but Apple hasn't officially disclosed anything but rough lip service even now.

Something is seriously amiss though. I just priced a 2nd tier Mac Pro baseline config upgraded to D700s.

It is $4599.

That is simply too cheap. If those are really w9000s, the GPUs alone have a street price of way more than that... Based on the tier one baseline config, you would have to think Apple is pricing the "rest" (everything but the GPUs) of the machine at around $2000. So whatever the D700 is, Apple is selling them for about $1300 a piece (give or take a few hundred dollars)

So one of 3 things is happening:

1. Apple is subsidizing the costs of the GPUs (yeah, right...).
2. AMD is giving Apple an absolutely enormous discount. Possible of course, but 60% off of street price is quite a hit.
3. It isn't a w9000 and is some new undisclosed variant (maybe a Hawaii XT based firePro?)

My bet is it is either 2 or 3, and if it is 3 then we don't really know what the TDP of the GPU is...

If it ends up being 2, and those are really w9000s, and Apple's cooling solution can somehow handle them - well I would have to say that as a graphics/rendering workstation, assuming one would need the power it offers, it is far from expensive... Hell at that price it is rather cheap.

Edited 2013-12-19 13:09 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by smashIt
by smashIt on Thu 19th Dec 2013 13:19 in reply to "RE: Comment by smashIt"
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2005-07-06

the problem with those gpus is that they use consumer-chips
so apple has the option to use regular tahiti xt chips (like in a 7970) add 6gb of ram and just call it a firepro

and i doubt that it will be a hawaii xt based card
if it were it would have a 512bit interface and much more FLOPS

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