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Morphos

The MorphOS development team is proud to announce the public release of MorphOS 3.4, which introduces faster R300 graphics drivers, improved video playback on G5-based systems, support for non-native display resolutions on various PowerBooks, screen blanker password protection, and numerous bug fixes and other improvements. For an overview of the included changes, please read our release notes.

Some serious improvements in there. Their market is probably small, but they release new versions at a relatively stable pace. One of the very few alternative operating systems that has managed to survive over the years where so many others fell.

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RE: My experience
by djame on Thu 19th Dec 2013 10:04 UTC in reply to "My experience"
djame
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2005-07-08

Hey, can you tell us how this version of morphos stands compared to os x ? According to that video, as soon as there're too many open windows, the os starts to be slow and unresponsive

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvmWIqqRR-g

Djamé

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RE[2]: My experience
by jockm on Thu 19th Dec 2013 16:30 in reply to "RE: My experience"
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2012-12-22

Would anyone running MorphOS be willing to re-run this experiment? The video was of version 2.0 of the OS, and I am curious if it is still true. At the very least one would hope that it has been fixed.

The problem, it seems, is that MorphOS wasn't managing video memory well. Which means it would run a few windows well, but as you added them, it was thrashing trying to manage a precious resource.

There are a number of reasons I don't use MorphOS. The biggest three are the lack of a reason to (aside from novelty), fact that I don't run any hardware it can run on, and the cost.

More to the point the biggest advantage I hear to MorphOS is that is is fast and lean. But in looking at this demo, it is clear that MorphOS boots faster, but once it has the performance seems to be on par for real world tasks.

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RE[3]: My experience
by Intuition on Thu 19th Dec 2013 16:51 in reply to "RE[2]: My experience"
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2013-05-28

Would anyone running MorphOS be willing to re-run this experiment? The video was of version 2.0 of the OS, and I am curious if it is still true. At the very least one would hope that it has been fixed.

The problem, it seems, is that MorphOS wasn't managing video memory well. Which means it would run a few windows well, but as you added them, it was thrashing trying to manage a precious resource.

There are a number of reasons I don't use MorphOS. The biggest three are the lack of a reason to (aside from novelty), fact that I don't run any hardware it can run on, and the cost.

More to the point the biggest advantage I hear to MorphOS is that is is fast and lean. But in looking at this demo, it is clear that MorphOS boots faster, but once it has the performance seems to be on par for real world tasks.


I'll try to find some time over the weekend to recreate it.

I have a PowerBook G4 5,8 with a 128MB Radeon 9700 Pro, a PowerMac G5 7,3 with 256MB Radeon 9650 Pro (I have a 9800 somewhere but not sure exactly where it is in my mancave) and a Pegasos II G4 with a 128MB Radeon 9250.

I'll do it on at least one of them, maybe all of them if my wife gives me time off from slavery^H^H^H^H^H real life. ;)

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RE[3]: My experience
by -ujb- on Sun 22nd Dec 2013 22:34 in reply to "RE[2]: My experience"
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2005-10-21

I kind of retried that experiment. I opened up 10 full screen windows of Odyssey web browser (1280x1024 24 bit). Once Gfx RAM is filled up and you open a new window it takes a little time during that the computer is swapping VRAM and changing things. but once this moment is over everything is snappy again.

In general use you almost never run in situations where the gfx ram is fully occupied. When you do it slows down for a few moments and there you go again. The moment is a few seconds. Probably that situation is still better handled on OS X, but the test scenario is rather artificial. And behavior is not like shown n that video anymore. Other situatiosn are better handled by MorphOS than OS X. Non eof the both OSes is wiping the floor with each other - they are different with different strengthes and weaknesses.

MorphOS is more than useable for many things. And compared to OS X it just flies on the same hardware. I like to have a dual boot setup and normally boot into MorphOS instead of into OS X. It's great to have both systems. But well, I am kind of an "Amiga nut" anyway...

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RE[2]: My experience
by lancealot on Fri 20th Dec 2013 04:35 in reply to "RE: My experience"
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2007-02-25

Djamé-

I have the exact same system as the demo you linked to and tested on the latest MorphOS 3.4. The same thing that happened to him in the video happened to me when I opened a lot of OWB windows. The issue as it said in the comments is because opening multiple OWB windows uses more video ram, and once all the video RAM is gone, the system slows down. To avoid this with OWB, instead of opening multiple windows, I opened multiple tabs inside of OWB. When I did this I didn't have the same issue where it exhausted all the video ram.

So yes, I guess even with the latest version if you exhaust all the video RAM, MorphOS is not as smooth as Mac OS X. Then again there are not many applications that use that much video RAM, and OWB would probably be one of the heaviest ones, and opening multiple windows is not something you would normally do versus opening up tabs in OWB. So the test does expose a weakness, but not run I would normally run into without going out of my way to find an instance to exhaust all the video memory. I didn't even know about this until the video showed me how to exhaust all the video memory.

Regardless if you have video memory then everything is fast, and this thing boots up in 5-10 seconds (BIOS takes up half the boot time easily).

Hey, can you tell us how this version of morphos stands compared to os x ? According to that video, as soon as there're too many open windows, the os starts to be slow and unresponsive

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvmWIqqRR-g

Djamé

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RE[3]: My experience
by jockm on Fri 20th Dec 2013 06:02 in reply to "RE[2]: My experience"
jockm Member since:
2012-12-22

Just to play devil's Advocate, there aren't that many apps to run on MorphOS, and if you are a modern user a web browser is one of them.

I currently have 6 Browser windows open with between 2 and 20ish tabs in each — each one representing a different subject. I admit this isn't that typical, but even my wife likes to keep 2-3 browser windows open.

So I wouldn't simply dismiss this issue.

Obviously use whatever OS makes you happy, and more power to you. I am mostly shocked this issue doesn't seem to have been addressed.

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