Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 18th Dec 2013 20:47 UTC
Apple

Apple today announced the all-new Mac Pro will be available to order starting Thursday, December 19. Redesigned from the inside out, the all-new Mac Pro features the latest Intel Xeon processors, dual workstation-class GPUs, PCIe-based flash storage and ultra-fast ECC memory.

This thing is so damn awesome. I don't need it, but I still want one.

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RE: Comment by v_bobok
by fmaxwell on Thu 19th Dec 2013 19:01 UTC in reply to "Comment by v_bobok"
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but with comparable or better guts and cheaper.


The Mac Pro's AMD FirePro D700 is the exact match to the AMD FirePro W9000. Amazon has the FirePro W9000 at $3,158. For $4k, you can buy a 3.7GHz quad core Mac Pro with dual D700 GPUs. That's more than $2K cheaper than the cost of the equivalent FirePro W9000 video cards alone for your "hackintosh."

Now, add on the costs of a motherboard and ~$300 Intel Xeon E5 CPU, ~$1100 worth of 12GB of 1866MHz DDR3 ECC RAM, 256GB PCIe-based flash storage (a SATA SSD is only half the speed, so that's not comparable), Thunderbolt 2 or comparable (20GB/s and up to 36 daisy-chained devices). Now, find a case and cooling system that's under 20dBA under load.

At this point, you're probably looking a your kludged hackintosh with the pirated, hacked OS costing more than double what a Mac Pro does. And don't kid yourself -- the OS X development costs are supported by Apple hardware sales and if you didn't buy Apple hardware, you pirated the OS in violation of the license.

Of course you get no warranty, no AppleCare support, and you have a system that's lost half of its resale value before you even turn it on.

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RE[2]: Comment by v_bobok
by unclefester on Fri 20th Dec 2013 00:14 in reply to "RE: Comment by v_bobok"
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The Mac Pro's AMD FirePro D700 is the exact match to the AMD FirePro W9000. Amazon has the FirePro W9000 at $3,158. For $4k, you can buy a 3.7GHz quad core Mac Pro with dual D700 GPUs. That's more than $2K cheaper than the cost of the equivalent FirePro W9000 video cards alone for your "hackintosh."

Now, add on the costs of a motherboard and ~$300 Intel Xeon E5 CPU, ~$1100 worth of 12GB of 1866MHz DDR3 ECC RAM, 256GB PCIe-based flash storage (a SATA SSD is only half the speed, so that's not comparable), Thunderbolt 2 or comparable (20GB/s and up to 36 daisy-chained devices). Now, find a case and cooling system that's under 20dBA under load.


Just buy an i7, a crossfire motherboard, two high end gaming cards and regular RAM. The performance will be just as good. Workstation hardware is no faster for multimedia work.

There are plenty of cases and cooling soutions that can easily achieve 20dB under load.

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RE[3]: Comment by v_bobok
by fmaxwell on Fri 20th Dec 2013 01:35 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by v_bobok"
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2005-11-13

Just buy an i7, a crossfire motherboard, two high end gaming cards and regular RAM. The performance will be just as good. Workstation hardware is no faster for multimedia work.


Core i7 CPUs don't handle ECC RAM, which is why you don't see them in servers or workstation class systems.

I realize that most consumers think that unbuffered, non-ECC RAM is fine and that there's no need for RAID storage. Most people in the market for workstations and servers would tend to disagree.

As to SLI consumer video cards, there is a significant bit of CAD and engineering software that won't even start up on it. In other cases, packages like Lightwave and Maya are achieving 2x-3x the framerate when running on the workstation GPU (compared to the equivalent consumer gaming GPU).

There are plenty of cases and cooling soutions that can easily achieve 20dB under load.

I have not found them. Most individual fans are louder than 20dBA.

Apparently, reviewers aren't used to computers at quiet as the 2013 Mac Pro. Tech Crunch ran an article entitled "Hands On: Appleā€™s New Mac Pro Is An Insanely Quiet Thermal Wizard." Tech Radar's review included "We were impressed at just how quiet the new Mac Pro is."

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RE[2]: Comment by v_bobok
by zima on Sun 22nd Dec 2013 00:44 in reply to "RE: Comment by v_bobok"
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2005-07-06

hackintosh with the pirated, hacked OS [...] And don't kid yourself -- the OS X development costs are supported by Apple hardware sales and if you didn't buy Apple hardware, you pirated the OS in violation of the license.

Hackintosh doesn't equal pirated OS. I don't care what Apple license says, laws of the country take precedence over it.

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