Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 18th Dec 2013 20:47 UTC
Apple

Apple today announced the all-new Mac Pro will be available to order starting Thursday, December 19. Redesigned from the inside out, the all-new Mac Pro features the latest Intel Xeon processors, dual workstation-class GPUs, PCIe-based flash storage and ultra-fast ECC memory.

This thing is so damn awesome. I don't need it, but I still want one.

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RE[6]: Comment by v_bobok
by deathshadow on Fri 20th Dec 2013 10:27 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by v_bobok"
deathshadow
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2005-07-12

[q] A Mac pro is not going to be used for mission critical engineering design, mathematical simulations or as a server by any sane professional.

You are incorrect and talking about a subject that's clearly outside of your personal experience. I've had the privilege of working with brilliant scientists from NASA's JPL, all of whom made Macs their computer of choice, with all carrying MacBooks on the road and many working on Mac Pros in their offices.

I guess you're going to tell me that the Caedium Professional computational fluid dynamics (CFD) software, with has a $750/month license fee and runs on the Mac Pro, isn't used by professionals?

... you say that like there isn't a windows version... that costs half that due to the larger audience... and that the software in fact didn't originate on windows... and I'm familiar with it because it's written in Delphi, which is why the Mac version has been out for all of what? Two years ever since XE2 added fireMonkey?


And you think that AutoCAD, which recommends a Mac Pro 5,1 or later, is a hobbyist product?


Funny that, since the PC recommended is a 3ghz P4 and 4 gigs of RAM... and it originated on PC...

ArchiCAD “will also benefit from the advanced OpenGL technologies that the powerful twin 4K graphics cards provide, allowing 3D models within ArchiCAD 17 to just fly.”

As opposed to any other 4k capable graphics rig of the past two years...

As to your comment about workstation graphic cards, you need to read more. Tom's Hardware ran a Maya-based benchmark that had the W9000 at 91 frames per second while the consumer HD 7990 was running at 15 frames per second. Lightwave benchmarks showed similar results.

Oddly that's often more of a driver issue. You bench games on workstation cards the numbers are flipped -- people with workstation cards who want to game often install drivers for the nearest equivalent desktop card via editing the .inf files to get around that... and it works the other direction.

Kind of the same thing as tricking desktop drivers to run on the various ATI mobile chips. (ATI was notorious middle of the last decade for drivers that were crippled one way or the other)

They don't want to try to support some flaky, overclocked, third-party gamer graphics card with drivers that were developed around maximizing frame rates in video games.

... and you hit it on the head, it's usually more of a driver issue. Sometimes the desktop cards are MORE reliable too, since they usually have more robust *SHOCK* cooling. (seriously, some of the workstation cards are outright SHAMEFUL on that)

Don't be a dick. People who don't want their computer acting like a Hoover vacuum cleaner and sucking up every bit of dust that gets kicked around at floor level put their computers on top of their desks.


Or you have a shelf sticking out the side of the desk that's a foot off the floor... like the one that came with my el-cheapo S-Mart particle board computer desk that I've been using for a decade. With a mid-tower the top ends up 2" lower than the side of the desk.

Though I get where you are coming from with that -- what with standard cases moving the PSU (and it's intake fan) to the bottom. Getting it up off the floor a foot or more can be the difference between needing to blow it out once a year, and going in there after three months to pull out tribble-sized dust bunnies.

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RE[7]: Comment by v_bobok
by fmaxwell on Fri 20th Dec 2013 11:50 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by v_bobok"
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2005-11-13

"I guess you're going to tell me that the Caedium Professional computational fluid dynamics (CFD) software, with has a $750/month license fee and runs on the Mac Pro, isn't used by professionals?

... you say that like there isn't a windows version... that costs half that due to the larger audience...
"
No, just refuting your claim that no one would use a Mac Pro for that kind of work.

"And you think that AutoCAD, which recommends a Mac Pro 5,1 or later, is a hobbyist product?

Funny that, since the PC recommended is a 3ghz P4 and 4 gigs of RAM... and it originated on PC...
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I quoted "recommended" for the Mac and I believe you quoted "minimum" for the PC.

"ArchiCAD “will also benefit from the advanced OpenGL technologies that the powerful twin 4K graphics cards provide, allowing 3D models within ArchiCAD 17 to just fly.”

As opposed to any other 4k capable graphics rig of the past two years...
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He's not just talking about resolution -- he's also talking about speed. And a 12 core Mac Pro is powerful-fast system.

Oddly that's often more of a driver issue. You bench games on workstation cards the numbers are flipped

The Mac Pro is aimed at the workstation market, so that's why it has the workstation GPUs. And companies are very wary of violating licensing terms by trying to hack files to install unlicensed drivers with consumer video cards.

It really gets down to a perspective on cost. Where I work, we have RF cables that cost more than a new Mac Pro does. They'd be nuts to try to pinch pennies on a computer that an engineer would be using for at least a couple of years. You don't want someone idled because a software upgrade leaves their gamer-card+workstation-driver system unable to run some business-critical package.

Though I get where you are coming from with that -- what with standard cases moving the PSU (and it's intake fan) to the bottom. Getting it up off the floor a foot or more can be the difference between needing to blow it out once a year, and going in there after three months to pull out tribble-sized dust bunnies.

Thank you. That was a polite response and I really appreciate it. I've reached the point where I hesitate to even discuss computers online because it so often turns into personal attacks. Glad we could both dial it back from there.

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