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"His later life was overshadowed by his conviction for homosexual activity, a sentence we would now consider unjust and discriminatory and which has now been repealed," said Mr Grayling.

"Turing deserves to be remembered and recognised for his fantastic contribution to the war effort and his legacy to science. A pardon from the Queen is a fitting tribute to an exceptional man."

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Comment by Wafflez
by Wafflez on Wed 25th Dec 2013 00:05 UTC
Wafflez
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2011-06-26

Why Turing is getting the pardon? Queen should (not) be getting the pardon, not Turing.

Also, why the hell englishmen still have a queen? It's 21st century, not middle ages.

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RE: Comment by Wafflez
by kwan_e on Wed 25th Dec 2013 00:49 in reply to "Comment by Wafflez"
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

Also, why the hell englishmen still have a queen? It's 21st century, not middle ages.


The queen has no political power, so it's not the middle ages. Also, the average American seems to like the idea of royalty and nobility. They don't have any, so they put rich people into that position, and call the nobility the "job creators" who create jobs in very much the same way the rich nobility of the past didn't.

Since we are talking about 21st century, we should really be thinking about what a group does, rather than what a group is called. It's no use criticizing a country for having someone CALLED a monarch, when you have people who act with the same impunity as a monarch.

And speaking of the 21st century, it's ironic an American would criticize the British for being backward when your country is being run by religions and quasi-religious group. Not even the Church of England has as much political power in Britain, even with their set quota of seats in the House of Lords for bishops, than the far-right Christian groups in your country.

* I'm Australian, and I'm for the getting rid of the symbolic monarchy in Australia.

** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_of_Asturias_Awards

"The prize was established on 24 September 1980 by the twelve year-old Felipe, Prince of Asturias"

And what do the rich kids of the US do with their power and money? You know your countries f--ked when your equivalent of the nobility act worse than your monarchy boogeyman.

Edited 2013-12-25 01:05 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by Wafflez
by kwan_e on Wed 25th Dec 2013 02:51 in reply to "RE: Comment by Wafflez"
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

I like the fact that someone voted my comment down because they can't handle the fact that they're wrong. Go on, tell me why your situation is so much better than a monarchy when the actual results don't match up to your precious theory.

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RE[2]: Comment by Wafflez
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Thu 26th Dec 2013 16:18 in reply to "RE: Comment by Wafflez"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Terrible post.

And speaking of the 21st century, it's ironic an American would criticize the British for being backward when your country is being run by religions and quasi-religious group. Not even the Church of England has as much political power in Britain, even with their set quota of seats in the House of Lords for bishops, than the far-right Christian groups in your country.


You really can't tell the difference between a group of people with an ideology having power due to their votes versus a law that codifies a specific hereditary family a special place and a guaranteed wealth for no work?

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RE: Comment by Wafflez
by Soulbender on Wed 25th Dec 2013 05:20 in reply to "Comment by Wafflez"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Queen should (not) be getting the pardon, not Turing.


The words, they are in English but yet they make no sense.

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RE[2]: Comment by Wafflez
by MOS6510 on Wed 25th Dec 2013 07:18 in reply to "RE: Comment by Wafflez"
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2011-05-12

The words should (not) make sense.

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RE[2]: Comment by Wafflez
by Wafflez on Wed 25th Dec 2013 08:11 in reply to "RE: Comment by Wafflez"
Wafflez Member since:
2011-06-26

Sorry, my native language is more prone to manipulation that still makes sence. I try to apply same techniques to more primitive and static languages like english, doesn't seem to work tho, oh well.

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RE[2]: Comment by Wafflez
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Thu 26th Dec 2013 17:38 in reply to "RE: Comment by Wafflez"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

They made sense to me. The implication was that the Queen/Monarchy/Government is the entity that unjustly punished Alan Turing. Therefore its not his pardon we should be considering but the punishment for those responsible for writing and enforcing the unjust law.

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RE: Comment by Wafflez
by Anonymous Penguin on Thu 26th Dec 2013 22:54 in reply to "Comment by Wafflez"
Anonymous Penguin Member since:
2005-07-06


Also, why the hell englishmen still have a queen? It's 21st century, not middle ages.


Because they want so. By far the vast majority of the population is in favour of the monarchy. Or should you dictate them that they should have a president instead?

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