Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 27th Dec 2013 18:19 UTC
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Google has decided to fight back against the Apple and Microsoft-backed patent troll Rockstar. It has filed a lawsuit, asking the court to state that the Android platform does not infringe any of the patents the patent troll is asserting against Android, Google, and Android OEMs. Google describes Rockstar's trolling in no uncertain terms.

Rockstar produces no products and practices no patents. Instead, Rockstar employs a staff of engineers in Ontario, Canada, who examine other companies' successful products to find anything that Rockstar might use to demand and extract licenses to its patents under threat of litigation.

A very interesting tidbit is found further down in the legal documents - Google claims that Rockstar actually contacted companies that use Android, asking them to... Stop using Android.

On information and belief, Rockstar contacted and met with these California-based companies in order to discourage them from continuing to use Google's Android platform in their devices, and to interfere with Google's business relationships.

This Apple and Microsoft shell company is way, way dirtier than we already knew.

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RE[4]: Rockstar is justified
by themwagency on Fri 27th Dec 2013 18:59 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Rockstar is justified"
themwagency
Member since:
2013-03-06

Believe you can own an idea isn't going to get you very popular around here.


Hence the problem.

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v RE[5]: Rockstar is justified
by arb1 on Fri 27th Dec 2013 19:05 in reply to "RE[4]: Rockstar is justified"
RE[6]: Rockstar is justified
by themwagency on Fri 27th Dec 2013 19:17 in reply to "RE[5]: Rockstar is justified"
themwagency Member since:
2013-03-06

They are dirty cause they don't make 1 single product

Each company associated with rockstar sells a phone and has a vested interest in the recognition of these patents. Rockstar itself doesn't create a product but the companies participating in the rockstar company absolutely do. At best its a grey area but far from the black and white issue presented in the summary.

and are suing a company looking for fee's

I might be wrong about this but I don't think they are looking for fees. I think they don't even want to grant them a license. Assuming I'm wrong though, granting a license for pay to others wanting to use your product is absolutely justified. Again, nothing wrong here.

when they weren't even harmed.

If you build a business using my product and gain customers using a product that you could not otherwise create without my patents... customers that would have otherwise chosen my product were yours not available then yes... then yes I would indeed have been harmed. By that same understanding each of these companies owning Rockstar's patents have also been harmed by the same premise.

On top of that since all this company is, is a patent holding company for android's 2 biggest competitor's, they are nothing more then a proxy in this lawsuit.

2 biggest competitors... (blackberry is also part owner). A proxy company makes it sound as if the company was established solely for litigation purposes rather than being companies interested in owning a share of these patents for their company's individual businesses.

Apple never been able to deal with fact driod has kicked their butt in innovation for years now.

Your opinion

Apple steals tech from other companies refuses to pay for them and when they get sued they cry about abuse of patents while on the other hand they are doing same thing they cry getting used against them.

If/When Apple does and is in the wrong then they should indeed pay. What's your point?

Edited 2013-12-27 19:21 UTC

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RE[5]: Rockstar is justified
by tylerdurden on Fri 27th Dec 2013 20:06 in reply to "RE[4]: Rockstar is justified"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

To whom it may concern:

As the owner of the idea for the term "problem," I am writing you this post to inform you that you have 48 hours to complete the payment of the $100,000.00 (one hundred thousand dollars) fee related to your unlicensed use of my intellectual property on the website "www.osnews.com" on Friday the 27th of December 2013.

Failure to pay within the stipulated time period will imply further legal action leading to harsher penalties.

Have a nice day.

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RE[6]: Rockstar is justified
by themwagency on Fri 27th Dec 2013 20:47 in reply to "RE[5]: Rockstar is justified"
themwagency Member since:
2013-03-06

To whom it may concern:

As the owner of the idea for the term "problem," I am writing you this post to inform you that you have 48 hours to complete the payment of the $100,000.00 (one hundred thousand dollars) fee related to your unlicensed use of my intellectual property on the website "www.osnews.com" on Friday the 27th of December 2013.

Failure to pay within the stipulated time period will imply further legal action leading to harsher penalties.

Have a nice day.



tylerdurden,

It has come to my attention that you are in fact NOT the owner of this patent. Had you been I would have justifiably paid you your rightful sum. Because you have presented yourself in a nefarious manor I require that you pay a penalty for the amount with which you hoped to take from me.

Have a nice day.

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RE[6]: Rockstar is justified
by bitwelder on Mon 30th Dec 2013 08:36 in reply to "RE[5]: Rockstar is justified"
bitwelder Member since:
2010-04-27

I have no _problem_ with that. ;)

In our company we only deal with issues and challenges.

Best regards

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allanregistos Member since:
2011-02-10

"Believe you can own an idea isn't going to get you very popular around here.


Hence the problem.
"

Somebody have the idea to _KILL_ someone, now it gets patented. Now if everybody who happens to have the idea of _KILLING_ someone must pay some blood money to that the one who patented that idea(KILL).

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RE[6]: Rockstar is justified
by zima on Fri 3rd Jan 2014 19:40 in reply to "RE[5]: Rockstar is justified"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

You have some violent thoughts in you ...again.

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RE[5]: Rockstar is justified
by lemur2 on Sat 28th Dec 2013 06:39 in reply to "RE[4]: Rockstar is justified"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

"Believe you can own an idea isn't going to get you very popular around here.


Hence the problem.
"

Not a bit of it. Patents are supposed to protect methods and not ideas. If you can achieve the same end via a different method then you do NOT infringe on a patent covering another method for doing the exact same thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent

A patent is a set of exclusive rights granted by a sovereign state to an inventor or their assignee for a limited period of time, in exchange for the public disclosure of the invention. An invention is a solution to a specific technological problem, and may be a product or a process. Patents are a form of intellectual property.


Note in particular that an invention is defined as a (singular) solution to a technical problem, it does not cover all possible solutions to that problem. If Google solves technical problems of smartphone operating systems using different methods (i.e. a different solution) to other operating systems, then Google is not infringing. Android most certainly employs different methods than does iOS and Windows Phone, even though it does solve some of the same technical problems. Pure and simple.

If you don't understand that patents are not meant to confer ownership of ideas, then you have no business commenting upon the matter.

Edited 2013-12-28 06:49 UTC

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RE[5]: Rockstar is justified
by phoudoin on Mon 30th Dec 2013 13:01 in reply to "RE[4]: Rockstar is justified"
phoudoin Member since:
2006-06-09

IP don't protect an idea you claim to own.
IP protect a specific method to solve a specific problem that you claim to have found first.
Period.

Hence the claim checking problem.

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