Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 10th Jan 2014 01:56 UTC
Windows

Although Apple and Google officially sit out the biggest tech trade show of the year, their platforms are well represented by the third parties that create thousands of products for them. This year it feels like Microsoft is simply being left out.

Windows has virtually no presence in the two biggest things to hit computing in a long time, and it's starting to show. Microsoft may not be in trouble - but Windows is.

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RE: meaningless statistics
by Dano on Sun 12th Jan 2014 08:24 UTC in reply to "meaningless statistics"
Dano
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2006-01-22

On the other hand, most of the innovation in software is taking place on the FOSS side of the road. People do not build new technologies on Windows. That will be the real undoing of Microsoft.


What a load of opinioned crap. Nothing innovative is being done on Windows and people are leaving the programming platform in droves LOLOLOLOLOLOL. MS is not going down no matter how much you dream and troll. Some of the most talented programmers on the planet still work for MS.

Edited 2014-01-12 08:27 UTC

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RE[2]: meaningless statistics
by Soulbender on Sun 12th Jan 2014 10:49 in reply to "RE: meaningless statistics"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Nothing innovative is being done on Windows and people are leaving the programming platform in droves


How's your reading comprehension there, buddy? Not so good, eh?
You might want to note that he said that *most* innovation takes place in OSS, not that there is no innovation done on Windows. He also said *nothing* about programmers leaving the platform in droves. Maybe you're just projecting your own fears?

or, as Jeff Atwood put it, it's not hard to imagine a future where .Net is a niche product.
http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2013/03/why-ruby.html

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RE[3]: meaningless statistics
by Dano on Sun 12th Jan 2014 23:52 in reply to "RE[2]: meaningless statistics"
Dano Member since:
2006-01-22

The whole point of this small article had nothing to do with technical merits. It was basically a short story about how the author wanted to start an open source project, so he used tools that the open source community appreciates. Makes sense to me. Problem is is that many Windows programmers like myself don't work on open source projects, so using .NET being as technically capable on Windows that it is makes perfect sense.

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RE[2]: meaningless statistics
by hamster on Sun 12th Jan 2014 12:34 in reply to "RE: meaningless statistics"
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2006-10-06


What a load of opinioned crap. Nothing innovative is being done on Windows and people are leaving the programming platform in droves LOLOLOLOLOLOL. MS is not going down no matter how much you dream and troll. Some of the most talented programmers on the planet still work for MS.


How can an opinion be crap? Just because you don't share it or?

The only one who's trolling here would be your self...

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RE[3]: meaningless statistics
by Dano on Sun 12th Jan 2014 23:58 in reply to "RE[2]: meaningless statistics"
Dano Member since:
2006-01-22

There may be innovative projects in FOSS development, but saying nothing innovative goes on in Windows is ridiculous. One of the biggest problems is that armchair judgments are made based on what Microsoft does with the Windows user interface rather than developments that go on under the hood. The programming models in .NET, the language and compiler development by Microsoft, and features in both Win 8 and cloud computing in Windows Azure are all good examples on innovation. The work being done to improve SQL Server and programming models to it is interesting. Work being done to compile the .NET targets directly to native hardware code is interesting. Microsoft embedded is doing some new work that is interesting. I would love to have some reading material references, and I am asking this in a respectful way, on what innovation is currently going on in FOSS. The work going on at Microsoft with managed code and the Singularity project is innovative and interesting. Also people making innovation judgments are not considering work done by third party Windows developers. You may dump on Windows Phone, but a lot of work not yet released is being done to improve it, Improve its search and assistant capabilities and most importantly to merge the Phone and tablet programming models.

Edited 2014-01-13 00:12 UTC

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RE[3]: meaningless statistics
by Dano on Mon 13th Jan 2014 00:27 in reply to "RE[2]: meaningless statistics"
Dano Member since:
2006-01-22

Commercial developers are not actually leaving Windows in "droves". That is why the opinion is crap.

Edited 2014-01-13 00:28 UTC

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RE[2]: meaningless statistics
by dragossh on Sun 12th Jan 2014 15:31 in reply to "RE: meaningless statistics"
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2008-12-16

What innovations have come out of Microsoft lately? There's Metro which was innovative in 2010, and Microsoft has taken that and slapped it on a tablet without many new additions.

Apart from that, I can't think of new things in the consumer space. Windows Phone hasn't had a huge feature update since 7.5 with multitasking. IE is trying to catch up to other browsers. Bing and Outlook are starting to get better but don't offer anything the competition doesn't. The voice control in Windows is a joke. Basically Microsoft may be innovating if you're using Microsoft products, but for most people, they don't bring out products that make you go "I want this". They simply bring out alternatives on par with the competition, but 2 years later.

As for developers not leaving the platform in droves, how many innovative apps from developers have appeared on Windows in the past 3-4 years?

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