Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 10th Jan 2014 01:56 UTC
Windows

Although Apple and Google officially sit out the biggest tech trade show of the year, their platforms are well represented by the third parties that create thousands of products for them. This year it feels like Microsoft is simply being left out.

Windows has virtually no presence in the two biggest things to hit computing in a long time, and it's starting to show. Microsoft may not be in trouble - but Windows is.

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RE[3]: meaningless statistics
by Dano on Sun 12th Jan 2014 23:58 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: meaningless statistics"
Dano
Member since:
2006-01-22

There may be innovative projects in FOSS development, but saying nothing innovative goes on in Windows is ridiculous. One of the biggest problems is that armchair judgments are made based on what Microsoft does with the Windows user interface rather than developments that go on under the hood. The programming models in .NET, the language and compiler development by Microsoft, and features in both Win 8 and cloud computing in Windows Azure are all good examples on innovation. The work being done to improve SQL Server and programming models to it is interesting. Work being done to compile the .NET targets directly to native hardware code is interesting. Microsoft embedded is doing some new work that is interesting. I would love to have some reading material references, and I am asking this in a respectful way, on what innovation is currently going on in FOSS. The work going on at Microsoft with managed code and the Singularity project is innovative and interesting. Also people making innovation judgments are not considering work done by third party Windows developers. You may dump on Windows Phone, but a lot of work not yet released is being done to improve it, Improve its search and assistant capabilities and most importantly to merge the Phone and tablet programming models.

Edited 2014-01-13 00:12 UTC

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allanregistos Member since:
2011-02-10

There may be innovative projects in FOSS development

There are, sounds like you don't want to give them credit.
,but saying nothing innovative goes on in Windows is ridiculous. One of the biggest problems is that armchair judgments are made based on what Microsoft does with the Windows user interface rather than developments that go on under the hood.
That's good, but there are competitions that offered the same product and with innovative features, so MS regardless of their innovation under the hood, won't get the notice you want for them.
The programming models in .NET, the language and compiler development by Microsoft, and features in both Win 8 and cloud computing in Windows Azure are all good examples on innovation. The work being done to improve SQL Server and programming models to it is interesting. Work being done to compile the .NET targets directly to native hardware code is interesting.
Interesting indeed, I will be watching this, please.
Microsoft embedded is doing some new work that is interesting. I would love to have some reading material references, and I am asking this in a respectful way, on what innovation is currently going on in FOSS. The work going on at Microsoft with managed code and the
Singularity project is to me is still experimental, and can't be called
innovative and interesting.
so far.
Also people making innovation judgments are not considering work done by third party Windows developers. You may dump on Windows Phone, but a lot of work not yet released is being done to improve it, Improve its search and assistant capabilities and most importantly to merge the Phone and tablet programming models.
You are hoping that Windows phone gets improvement, by the way, there are many positive reviews for WP, the thing is late, innovation, regardless of the works being done for it is irrelevant, since IOS and Android is what matters. Anyway, WP will still exist on the market as I see it.

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RE[4]: meaningless statistics
by TechGeek on Mon 13th Jan 2014 15:18 in reply to "RE[3]: meaningless statistics"
TechGeek Member since:
2006-01-14

Dano:

There is a big difference between improving and being innovative. Microsoft is certainly improving their ecosystem. But they aren't being innovative. So MIcrosoft is finally getting into cloud. Amazon has been there since 2007. And I am sorry, but you dont see any major cloud providers using Azure as their hypervisor.

Singularity could be innovative. I really don't know anything about it.

I never said developers were leaving the Windows environment, but lets think about that for a second. We now have iOS and Android as large programming fields, neither of which have anything to do with Windows. Microsoft is actually paying people to write apps for their apps store. And, on the games front you have a giant upsurge in releases for the Linux platform. While they are still developing for Windows too, it is still a major change from the recent past. All of a sudden there is a lot more development going on outside of the Windows platform than there used to be a short time ago.

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