Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 13th Jan 2014 10:06 UTC
Windows

Paul Thurrott on the next version of Windows and the future of the platform.

In some ways, the most interesting thing about Threshold is how it recasts Windows 8 as the next Vista. It's an acknowledgment that what came before didn't work, and didn't resonate with customers. And though Microsoft will always be able to claim that Windows 9 wouldn't have been possible without the important foundational work they had done first with Windows 8 - just as was the case with Windows 7 and Windows Vista - there's no way to sugarcoat this. Windows 8 has set back Microsoft, and Windows, by years, and possibly for good.

With even Paul Thurrott claiming Windows is in trouble, it becomes virtually impossible to deny it is so.

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RE[5]: Microsoft in transition
by lemur2 on Tue 14th Jan 2014 02:07 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Microsoft in transition"
lemur2
Member since:
2007-02-17

Given your experience, windows 8.1 isn't Vista - it's Linux! ;)

(Sorry, just spent some time upgrading Ubuntu from LTS to the latest normal release because docker (crapper) wanted me to bring in a backported kernel to LTS without mentioning this upgrade will break my ati driver, and therefore my X setup, and... yeah, if you upgrade and it breaks video, you got Linux ;) )

I am a Linux fanboy, but even I know it has it's issues (but has gotten a lot better!!)


You are doing it wrong IMO. Get a live USB of the new version and boot it, then test that it works (while running from the USB) before you commit to it.

Assuming you have kept user's home directories on a separate partition (as is the recommendation for Linux), having tested the new version then you can simply re-format the root partition and install the new version to the hard disk in place of the previous version, safe in the knowledge that it works.

By all means update an existing installation, but I recommend don't upgrade an existing installation but rather just install the newer versions (after first testing it).

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

How is is acceptable for an OS update to complete bork what was working?

Windows doesn't do it, unless there is something fundamental (lack of 16bit support, requires a driver model that doesn't exist, or uses undocumented APIs). Windows program work ... hell even drivers work well between versions.

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RE[6]: Microsoft in transition
by Nth_Man on Tue 14th Jan 2014 21:28 in reply to "RE[5]: Microsoft in transition"
Nth_Man Member since:
2010-05-16

I recommend don't upgrade an existing installation but rather just install the newer versions (after first testing it).

I recommend the same. I even have two versions of Kubuntu in every computer: the current and the old one, each one in their own partition.

This way if the current Linux installation would fail, I would still have the prior one. The former Linux installation is also available with its configuration files, and so they can be consulted later, etc.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

How is it acceptable that someone needs to know this much to have something that is reliable?

I think it is ridiculous.

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RE[7]: Microsoft in transition
by lemur2 on Wed 15th Jan 2014 00:28 in reply to "RE[6]: Microsoft in transition"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

"I recommend don't upgrade an existing installation but rather just install the newer versions (after first testing it).

I recommend the same. I even have two versions of Kubuntu in every computer: the current and the old one, each one in their own partition.

This way if the current Linux installation would fail, I would still have the prior one. The former Linux installation is also available with its configuration files, and so they can be consulted later, etc.
"

Given that disk space is not an issue these days, I also adopt that exact same practice of having two Linux OS installations at any one time, one of which I use only as a fallback. When I upgrade to a new version I over-write the fallback, I begin using the new version, and the version that I was formerly using becomes the new fallback. It would appear that we have both come up with the same solutions.

I normally leave out this detail in online discussions, however, because although it is simple to do it is complex to describe, and I fear that recommending it would only confuse people.

I do note however that doing something similar for Windows systems (i.e. having a fallback installation) would be extremely rare.

Edited 2014-01-15 00:29 UTC

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