Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 13th Jan 2014 10:06 UTC
Windows

Paul Thurrott on the next version of Windows and the future of the platform.

In some ways, the most interesting thing about Threshold is how it recasts Windows 8 as the next Vista. It's an acknowledgment that what came before didn't work, and didn't resonate with customers. And though Microsoft will always be able to claim that Windows 9 wouldn't have been possible without the important foundational work they had done first with Windows 8 - just as was the case with Windows 7 and Windows Vista - there's no way to sugarcoat this. Windows 8 has set back Microsoft, and Windows, by years, and possibly for good.

With even Paul Thurrott claiming Windows is in trouble, it becomes virtually impossible to deny it is so.

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RE[6]: Comment by Kroc
by looncraz on Tue 14th Jan 2014 21:05 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by Kroc"
looncraz
Member since:
2005-07-24

I haven't actually met anyone in person that complains as much as people do on the internet.


Is your business in procuring or building computers for people?

I've received dozens (if not a hundred, by now) calls from people who bought a new computer with Windows 8 and they think something is wrong with it because "This stupid program keeps coming up and covering my whole screen when I try to do something - my desktop disappears and I get this weird colored mess." First time I heard it, I thought they were talking about video artifacts so I told them to take the computer back and get a replacement - which did the exact same thing. It was only after that when I realized it was Windows 8's start menu confusing them.

Oh... and you DO NOT want to know how many people called me to figure out how to login to their computer... or to shut it down... Thankfully, I walk them through getting to a browser and downloading a program I setup on my server to take full control of their computer - then I install Start8 and a few other utilities to make it more like Windows 7.

I still get complaints about how flat everything looks - people are accustomed to being able to see '3d' boundaries on buttons and controls... taking those way and making them flat makes people think they are broken. Stardock must be loving it!

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v RE[7]: Comment by Kroc
by lucas_maximus on Tue 14th Jan 2014 21:47 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by Kroc"
RE[8]: Comment by Kroc
by phoenix on Wed 15th Jan 2014 00:27 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by Kroc"
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

Things may have changed in 8.1, but the first time I tried Windows 8 it booted to a lockscreen *WITH NO INDICATION OF HOW TO REMOVE THE LOCKSCREEN*.

On a phone or a tablet, there's a "slide to unlock" indicator somewhere that tells you how to get passed the lockscreen.

I stared at the Windows 8 lockscreen for 5-10 minutes, waiting for the login screen to appear. Kept thinking, "Wow, this is taking a long time to boot. Thought the selling point was super-fast boot times."

Actually had to do a search online to figure out you have to click and drag the screen upward before you can login.


Supposedly, the retail version of Windows 8 includes a first-login tutorial that shows you the hotspots and corners and whatnot. However, the pre-releases didn't. And, if you use a system that's not yours, or that someone else setup for you, you don't see that tutorial.

First several times I used Windows 8, I could not figure out how to logout or shut off the machine. Who's brilliant idea was it to hide it under a hotspot and then under a charm?


But, my biggest gripe against Windows 8+ (and Windows Phone, and now iOS 7) is the complete removal of context around what is clickable and what is not. There are many many screens where there's no difference between a title, a heading, a clickable link, a button, etc. It's all just white text on a coloured background. Every screen, you have to randomly click around until you learn what's clickable and what's not.

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RE[8]: Comment by Kroc
by daedalus on Wed 15th Jan 2014 17:01 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by Kroc"
daedalus Member since:
2011-01-14

Okay, I understand that other people's posts can make you angry, but take it easy right there. I've also had people complain about similar things with new laptops, and then once I've explained that that's just the way it is, had to "fix" them either by adding various things to make it more like Windows 7, or actually putting Windows 7 on it.

the things is, people don't always have your insight into technology, and most non-techy people still hold a distinction between phones, tablets and PCs. They expect a PC to have a desktop where they have their files and applications all visible, dragable and overlappable, and they expect their phone to do one thing at a time. They don't see phones and tablets as little PCs, no matter how much you insist that they do.

Not everyone sees things the way you do, and being a .NET developer already puts you in a much more tech-savvy category than the average Joe. So you can't possibly say that it doesn't appear confusing or unfamiliar to others, just because you managed to work something out with your tens of thousands of hours of computing experience. And STOP SHOUTING!

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RE[7]: Comment by Kroc
by acobar on Tue 14th Jan 2014 21:48 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by Kroc"
acobar Member since:
2005-11-15

Man, we share the same crazy experience on that. It is surreal.

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RE[8]: Comment by Kroc
by lucas_maximus on Tue 14th Jan 2014 22:49 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by Kroc"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

What is that then?

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RE[7]: Comment by Kroc
by phobox on Wed 15th Jan 2014 13:30 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by Kroc"
phobox Member since:
2011-12-07

Without wishing to sound rude (but realising I probably do anyway), all this tells me is that generally speaking people are morons and are incapable of accepting change in any form, at least the people you've clearly had to deal with anyway. Most of the non-tech people Ive spoken to about Windows 8 found the experience jarring at first due to the change, but fairly quickly got used to it and in fact the majority began to prefer the experience.

Personally I still think the Win8 'modern' UI has a way to go, especially with regards to the quality of the apps. It just isnt there yet and simply cant serve as an adequate replacement for the desktop, not unless all you do all day is browse web pages... and even then I'd argue its not good enough. That being said the modern UI does work very well with touch enabled devices, extremely well in fact. And even on my desktop machine (traditional keyboard/mouse) I find the Start Screen and apps complimentary to my primary way of working which is the desktop (with Start8).

Like it or not the way consumers use devices is changing and Microsoft's answer to that in the form of Win8's modern UI and more importantly the principles it represents, is a good if not great move. For those of us who need more, the desktop is still there just as its always been and will remain so.

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