Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 13th Jan 2014 10:06 UTC
Windows

Paul Thurrott on the next version of Windows and the future of the platform.

In some ways, the most interesting thing about Threshold is how it recasts Windows 8 as the next Vista. It's an acknowledgment that what came before didn't work, and didn't resonate with customers. And though Microsoft will always be able to claim that Windows 9 wouldn't have been possible without the important foundational work they had done first with Windows 8 - just as was the case with Windows 7 and Windows Vista - there's no way to sugarcoat this. Windows 8 has set back Microsoft, and Windows, by years, and possibly for good.

With even Paul Thurrott claiming Windows is in trouble, it becomes virtually impossible to deny it is so.

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RE[7]: Comment by Kroc
by lucas_maximus on Tue 14th Jan 2014 21:47 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by Kroc"
lucas_maximus
Member since:
2009-08-18

Is your business in procuring or building computers for people?


No, I am a .NET developer

I've received dozens (if not a hundred, by now) calls from people who bought a new computer with Windows 8 and they think something is wrong with it because "This stupid program keeps coming up and covering my whole screen when I try to do something - my desktop disappears and I get this weird colored mess." First time I heard it, I thought they were talking about video artifacts so I told them to take the computer back and get a replacement - which did the exact same thing. It was only after that when I realized it was Windows 8's start menu confusing them


If you thought it was video artifacts you are a dumbass.

Utter bollox once again. People don't have any problem with tablets and phones having full page applications so I doubt this is true. But suddenly because they are using a computer they totally lose their shit and say "I have never seen a full screen app ever, except all the other time I have maximised a window or use a application on my phone or tablet".

GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK. YOU ARE TALKING BULLSHIT

You are lying.

Oh... and you DO NOT want to know how many people called me to figure out how to login to their computer... or to shut it down... Thankfully, I walk them through getting to a browser and downloading a program I setup on my server to take full control of their computer - then I install Start8 and a few other utilities to make it more like Windows 7.


More bollox again. You type the password as per usual, nothing has changed since Windows 7.

I still get complaints about how flat everything looks - people are accustomed to being able to see '3d' boundaries on buttons and controls... taking those way and making them flat makes people think they are broken. Stardock must be loving it!


Well that is aesthetics and isn't to everyone's taste.

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RE[8]: Comment by Kroc
by phoenix on Wed 15th Jan 2014 00:27 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by Kroc"
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

Things may have changed in 8.1, but the first time I tried Windows 8 it booted to a lockscreen *WITH NO INDICATION OF HOW TO REMOVE THE LOCKSCREEN*.

On a phone or a tablet, there's a "slide to unlock" indicator somewhere that tells you how to get passed the lockscreen.

I stared at the Windows 8 lockscreen for 5-10 minutes, waiting for the login screen to appear. Kept thinking, "Wow, this is taking a long time to boot. Thought the selling point was super-fast boot times."

Actually had to do a search online to figure out you have to click and drag the screen upward before you can login.


Supposedly, the retail version of Windows 8 includes a first-login tutorial that shows you the hotspots and corners and whatnot. However, the pre-releases didn't. And, if you use a system that's not yours, or that someone else setup for you, you don't see that tutorial.

First several times I used Windows 8, I could not figure out how to logout or shut off the machine. Who's brilliant idea was it to hide it under a hotspot and then under a charm?


But, my biggest gripe against Windows 8+ (and Windows Phone, and now iOS 7) is the complete removal of context around what is clickable and what is not. There are many many screens where there's no difference between a title, a heading, a clickable link, a button, etc. It's all just white text on a coloured background. Every screen, you have to randomly click around until you learn what's clickable and what's not.

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RE[9]: Comment by Kroc
by lucas_maximus on Wed 15th Jan 2014 14:26 in reply to "RE[8]: Comment by Kroc"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

You just start typing when presented with the screen, took me maybe less than 5 seconds to figure out, as for swiping the screen upwards:

http://modmyi.com/attachments/forums/skinning-themes-discussion/740...

http://mobileradar.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/htc_desire_hd_sense-...

It wasn't exactly uncommon., yeah it wasn't in the pre-release version because they are pre-releases, it like complaining about bugs in a beta release.

I can tell what is clickable and what isn't in the interface.

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RE[8]: Comment by Kroc
by daedalus on Wed 15th Jan 2014 17:01 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by Kroc"
daedalus Member since:
2011-01-14

Okay, I understand that other people's posts can make you angry, but take it easy right there. I've also had people complain about similar things with new laptops, and then once I've explained that that's just the way it is, had to "fix" them either by adding various things to make it more like Windows 7, or actually putting Windows 7 on it.

the things is, people don't always have your insight into technology, and most non-techy people still hold a distinction between phones, tablets and PCs. They expect a PC to have a desktop where they have their files and applications all visible, dragable and overlappable, and they expect their phone to do one thing at a time. They don't see phones and tablets as little PCs, no matter how much you insist that they do.

Not everyone sees things the way you do, and being a .NET developer already puts you in a much more tech-savvy category than the average Joe. So you can't possibly say that it doesn't appear confusing or unfamiliar to others, just because you managed to work something out with your tens of thousands of hours of computing experience. And STOP SHOUTING!

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