Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 21st Jan 2014 00:15 UTC
Windows

HP really wants people to buy a Windows 7 PC instead of a Windows 8 machine. The PC maker has been emailing customers over the weekend noting that "Windows 7 is back." A new promotion, designed to entice people to select Windows 7 over Windows 8 with $150 of "savings," has launched on HP's website with a "back by popular demand" slogan. The move is clearly designed to position Windows 7 over Microsoft's touch-centric Windows 8 operating system.

Windows 8.x is just fine. Nothing's wrong with it. It's all the users' fault. Windows 8.x is just fine. Nothing's wrong with it. It's all the users' fault. Windows 8.x is just fine. Nothing's wrong with it. It's all the users' fault. Windows 8.x is just fine. Nothing's wrong with it. It's all the users' fault.

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by Poseidon on Tue 21st Jan 2014 00:25 UTC
Poseidon
Member since:
2009-10-31

Yes, there's nothing wrong with windows 8 and 8.x. Unless you're using it with a keyboard and mouse on a desk for serious data entry and or content creation.

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RE: Except...
by WorknMan on Tue 21st Jan 2014 00:44 in reply to "Except..."
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

You know what? You are absolutely right. To be honest, I kind of got excited about Windows 8 when I first heard about it. I figured I could just take 2 minutes to install a start menu replacement to bypass the hot garbage that is metro, and take advantage of all the benefits that Windows 8 has to offer. You know, like native USB 3.0 support, native ISO mounting, a much improved task manager, taskbars on multiple monitors, a startup manager (that was apparently in Vista but ripped from 7), hyper-v support, a host of other improvements, plus it runs faster and smoother than did Windows 7.

But then the horrible reality set in when Microsoft sent someone over to my house, put a gun to my head, and now forces me to use metro every single day. So, I can't imagine what I had originally been thinking when I thought Windows 8 could work just fine as a desktop OS.

/s

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RE[2]: Except...
by hdjhfds on Tue 21st Jan 2014 01:46 in reply to "RE: Except..."
hdjhfds Member since:
2013-08-19

I figured I could just take 2 minutes to install a start menu replacement to bypass the hot garbage that is metro, and take advantage of all the benefits that Windows 8 has to offer. You know, like native USB 3.0 support, native ISO mounting, a much improved task manager, taskbars on multiple monitors, a startup manager (that was apparently in Vista but ripped from 7), hyper-v support, a host of other improvements.


So you're OK with installing a start menu replacement, but installing WinCDemu mounter, process explorer, USB driver etc. is a pain you'd like to avoid? What's the criteria to apply?

The trouble with 8.* is that it is built to cater for Microsoft's needs (i.e. to make money off an app store), rather than those of the users.

Why should we, the users, bother with it? For native ISO mounting? Yeah ok.

Edited 2014-01-21 01:54 UTC

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RE[2]: Except...
by bassbeast on Tue 21st Jan 2014 12:21 in reply to "RE: Except..."
bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

Sorry but the bolted on mess that is Metro is a deal breaker to many and if you are one of the millions of laptop owners whose touchpad driver doesn't support gesture disabling? IT WILL DRIVE YOU MAD because that moronic "charms" bar can't tell the difference between just moving and a swipe and will "charm" the focus constantly away from your control, especially maddening on text input,AKA a good 70% of what folks do on the web...and what I'm doing ATM.

I could write a treaty on why Win 8 sucks but ya know what? HP isn't doing this because Win 7 makes them happy, its because the public has spoken and Metro is MSBob. Here is a vid that frankly says it better than I ever could..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLTE_bvlWUE">Windows

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RE[2]: Except...
by sdeber on Tue 21st Jan 2014 13:15 in reply to "RE: Except..."
sdeber Member since:
2005-07-06

Similar to you, I use Debian GNU/Linux daily for both personal life and work. I cannot understand how come some people claim that Linux are not user-friendly.

I did have problem with my USB wireless card at first. So what? I just download the driver source code, compile it and install the complied module. Then I download the binary firmware and copy it to the proper location. And everything works like a charm. How hard is that? Even a plant can do it!

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by No it isnt on Tue 21st Jan 2014 21:37 in reply to "RE: Except..."
No it isnt Member since:
2005-11-14

Can you get rid of the Charms menus as well? Trying to do things with a trackpad tends to make background windows jump to the foreground, and weird things just inexplicably happen for no good reason at all. It's fantastically bad UI design for laptops. I wonder who came up with the idea of switching applications without the user actively doing something, i.e. clicking. Trying to find the mouse pointer should not be interpreted as a user action.

I work at a college, helping lots of people with computer related stuff, and Windows 8 is the only OS I've heard middle-aged women volunteer their opinion on. It's not positive. Younger students will of course say what they please about anything, and they all seem to agree.

In a way, the apologists for Windows 8 remind me of Linux advocates in the late 90s: if you don't like it, you can just configure it as you please. But that's not good enough. Defaults matter. The difference is just that Linux didn't have downright insane defaults.

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RE: Except...
by earth_worker on Tue 21st Jan 2014 01:29 in reply to "Except..."
earth_worker Member since:
2014-01-21

Yes, there's nothing wrong with windows 8 and 8.x. Unless you're using it with a keyboard and mouse on a desk for serious data entry and or content creation.


I do all kinds of data entry/content creation. Windows 8 has never been a problem.

As far as I'm concerned Windows 8.1 is Windows 7 with a fullscreen start menu and Metro apps (should I ever want to use them).

Edited 2014-01-21 01:31 UTC

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RE[2]: Except...
by galvanash on Tue 21st Jan 2014 03:43 in reply to "RE: Except..."
galvanash Member since:
2006-01-25

As far as I'm concerned Windows 8.1 is Windows 7 with a fullscreen start menu and Metro apps (should I ever want to use them).


And that is how virtually everyone who has come to terms with it views it (including me), but that doesn't make it ok...

Its like Microsoft is selling candied apples with razor blades in them, and people are defending it because its easy enough to avoid the razor blade, and.. well... the apple is still pretty good...

Hello? Can we stop apologizing for MS and acknowledge that Windows 8 has a f--k*n razor blade in it??? It seems quite literally no one wants it on the desktop, and it isn't doing so stellar even where it does make sense (tablets). The very best that can be said at this point is the majority of its rather small user base (relative to Windows 7) is tolerating it by ignoring Metro's existence... Not so high praise.

So yeah, Windows 8 still has all the good stuff from Windows 7 - but HP is simply recognizing the fact that the lowest common denominator of their user base simply doesn't want to deal with avoiding the razor blade, and there is virtually nothing to gained from bothering.

I won't argue whether they are right or wrong for doing this - but I will say this doesn't bode well for Metro in the long term... Things seem to be getting worse instead of better for it after almost 1.5 years. If Microsoft doesn't figure out how to steer this in the other direction the defining feature of Windows 9 or 10 may well be relegating Metro to a truly optional feature (or its complete removal)...

I think Microsoft is on the verge of their own "Coca-Cola Classic" debacle... Hopefully it works out as well for them as it did for Coke.

ps. This is from someone who was initially quite a fan of the idea of Metro. But the reality is simply too far from the idea... It's passable on tablets with touch screens, and well that is the best I can say about it. If it was really going to work for desktop users we would have some compelling Metro desktop apps by now. Where are they?

Edited 2014-01-21 03:44 UTC

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RE[2]: Except...
by Coxy on Wed 22nd Jan 2014 08:03 in reply to "RE: Except..."
Coxy Member since:
2006-07-01

I agree, windows 8 is fine and I also make serious content with it.

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RE: Except... (Ohohohoh)
by Kochise on Tue 21st Jan 2014 05:55 in reply to "Except..."
Kochise Member since:
2006-03-03

I've told it, I've told it, I've told it...

http://www.osnews.com/thread?580591

Kochise

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RE: Except...
by chrish on Tue 21st Jan 2014 13:31 in reply to "Except..."
chrish Member since:
2005-07-14

The saddest thing is, to make Windows 8 great for desktop use, you basically have to overcome all the "innovations" introduced by Windows 8. Finding the 'boot to Desktop' option and installing Classic Shell made it usable again.

But, silly me, I just program, write and play games on my system, I don't sit there with Facebook or Netflix running fullscreen 24x7.

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RE[2]: Except...
by lucas_maximus on Tue 21st Jan 2014 14:37 in reply to "RE: Except..."
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

No you don't, because I haven't had to change anything in fact Since Win 7 I haven't made many changes to to the OS.

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