Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 21st Jan 2014 16:53 UTC
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Anybody following tech media in the past few years would instantly recognize the Thorne. He's a fanboy. That is, the kind of crazily obsessed tech enthusiast who appears to have become unhinged somewhere between peeling off his smartphone's screen protector and making his 457th comment on Android Central. He seems to love - as in, romantically love - his phone. He explodes with rage when somebody says anything less than glowingly positive about it.

I've been dealing with fanboys for as long as I'm an OSNews editor - made worse by the fact that I don't really have a strong allegiance to any platform, and therefore, tend to criticise and praise each of them at the same time, on a weekly basis. This means I have to deal with all manner of fanboys, and while it sometimes can be quite tiring, it's just kind of adorable most of the time.

The other side of the coin is being accused of being biased for or against something. I used to maintain a list of all the companies and products I was accused of being biased for or against. Interestingly enough, all of the companies and products mentioned appeared in both the biased for and biased against column. In other words, I was biased for and against every single company and product mentioned on OSNews at the same time.

In the meantime, out in the real world, I try to use as many different products from as many different companies as (financially) possible, so that I gather as much as real-world experience as I can. So, in the past 18-24 months, I've bought a Nexus 7, HTC 8X Windows Phone, Surface RT, iMac, Find 5 (Android), a self-built Windows 8 PC, Nokia E7 (Symbian), iPhone 5S, Jolla, and only last week I added a Nokia N9 to my collection. On top of that, I've used a whole bunch of other classic devices to further expand my horizon. I love technology, regardless of brand or platform.

So yes, I've probably had more experience with fanboys than just about anyone here on OSNews. However, the things I've had to deal with are minute compared to the things people like Joshua Topolsky from The Verge has had to deal with.

The gist of this somewhat random collection of words: be happy OSNews is a relatively small, niche site. Sure, we get into our (in the grand scheme of things, pointless) debates, but at least virtually every regular commenter here displays a reasonable amount of intelligence and restraint. We could do a whole lot worse.

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Comment by maccouch
by maccouch on Wed 22nd Jan 2014 11:46 UTC
maccouch
Member since:
2012-03-14

I've been dealing with fanboys for as long as I'm an OSNews editor - made worse by the fact that I don't really have a strong allegiance to any platform, and therefore, tend to criticise and praise each of them at the same time, on a weekly basis. This means I have to deal with all manner of fanboys, and while it sometimes can be quite tiring, it's just kind of adorable most of the time.


I would say that people claim that you're biased and a 'fanboy' because when you do take a position on a argument, you behave like one. Everything is black and white, there's no nuances at all, everyone else on the other side is a 'hypocrite' or a 'shill', every news that is agrees with you is reported while every news that doesn't is not. It all is, essentially, reduced to a childish logic and therefore a 'fanboy'. (And god forbid to admit that you were wrong on something. Maybe it has already happened but i didn't noticed it. )

Edited 2014-01-22 11:47 UTC

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RE: Comment by maccouch
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 22nd Jan 2014 12:02 in reply to "Comment by maccouch"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

I'd love some examples.

Yes, I am very strict and unmovable about a number of things, such as software patent abuse.

However, over the years, I have regularly admitted that I was wrong, or changed my opinion. I was very excited about Windows 8 in its early days, for instance. Now that Microsoft is mismanaging it, I no longer am. Same applies to Windows Phone. Since I rarely make actual predictions, there's not a whole lot to admit on that front.

As for no nuances - that's a bunch of bullcrap, to say the least. See how I treat Apple, for instance. I dislike Apple as a company, and specifically its corporate behaviour and patent lawsuits, but I praise their products all the time. The iMac is the best desktop computer, the iPhone is among the best smartphones in the world (and perhaps the best for many people), and the iPad is utterly unconstested. Apple's laptops are still the benchmark.

See the nuance? The problem is that people tend to only remember the things they disagree with, not the things they agree with. When you see me write about how Apple laptops are the best, and you already believe that to be so, you see it as a mere confirmation and forget about it. When I however, attack Apple's patent abuse, but you think said behaviour is justified, you'll remember it.

The same applies to many other companies. For instance, while I strongly side with Samsung in the Apple vs. Samsung debate, I had no problem posting this:

http://www.osnews.com/story/25479/Samsung_Releases_Galaxy_3GS_Or_So...

It's just one example out of many.

We call this cognitive dissonance. From your comment, it's clear you have a certain opinion of me. When I post items or comments that challange said assertion, your brain can do two things: (1) change the assertion on the grounds of the new evidence, or (2) dismiss the new evidence and retain the original assertion. Sadly, (1) requires more mental energy than (2), and hence, people generally opt for (2).

I see this all the time on OSNews. You'll hear people say "you are biased against Xyz!" - after which I remind them of the countless articles and comments challanging that claim. At this point, the OP usually leaves the conversation, only to post the exact same false claim 10 stories later.

It's cute.

Edited 2014-01-22 12:05 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by maccouch
by MOS6510 on Wed 22nd Jan 2014 12:38 in reply to "RE: Comment by maccouch"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

So you've never dismissed a person's opinion because fanboy?

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RE[2]: Comment by maccouch
by majipoor on Wed 22nd Jan 2014 13:00 in reply to "RE: Comment by maccouch"
majipoor Member since:
2009-01-22

"Yes, I am very strict and unmovable about a number of things, such as software patent abuse."

No, you are unmovable about software patent and you consider anyone suing for a software patent an abuser. Which is clearly a bias.

What I find cute myself are people who are self-proclaimed unbiased.

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RE[2]: Comment by maccouch
by Nelson on Wed 22nd Jan 2014 13:09 in reply to "RE: Comment by maccouch"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

There was never an article posted when Apple prevailed at the damages retrial and got most of their original damages.

I was waiting for the armchair lawyers to eat crow with that one.

Edited 2014-01-22 13:10 UTC

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