Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 23rd Jan 2014 10:52 UTC
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Google led in lobbying spending by ten tech firms who pumped a combined $61.15 million into efforts to influence federal regulators and lawmakers in 2013, up 15.9 percent from a combined total of $52.78 million, according to records filed with the Clerk of the House this week.

Apparently AT&T is not considered to be a technology company, because they spent more than Google. All in all, virtually all companies heavily increased their spending on legalised corruption in the US.

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Age-old practice
by wocowboy on Thu 23rd Jan 2014 10:59 UTC
wocowboy
Member since:
2006-06-01

Call it "legalized corruption" or whatever you wish, having representatives at court, near the tribal leader, lobbyists for parliament or Congress, the practice is as old as when humans first formed tribal groups and began creating civilization. And as distasteful as it is, it's a fact of life that will never go away. Politicians will never vote to eliminate the practice, and interest groups and companies will always want a method of getting to politicians to influence their votes.

The companies spending money for influence do not vote, but they are made up of people who do vote, so it behooves the legislators to consider what the lobbyists have to say. By the same token, a national carrot-growers association is made up of individual carrot farmers who do vote and want legislation that is favorable to their industry and they have no concern for the broccoli growers. Again, it's a fact of life.

Edited 2014-01-23 11:03 UTC

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RE: Age-old practice
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 23rd Jan 2014 11:12 in reply to "Age-old practice"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

So are diseases. Should we not fight disease?

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RE[2]: Age-old practice
by Kochise on Thu 23rd Jan 2014 11:17 in reply to "RE: Age-old practice"
Kochise Member since:
2006-03-03

Take the blue pill, everything will looks... smells much sweeter then :

http://takeawhiff.com/

Kochise

Edited 2014-01-23 11:18 UTC

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RE[2]: Age-old practice
by bnolsen on Thu 23rd Jan 2014 13:26 in reply to "RE: Age-old practice"
bnolsen Member since:
2006-01-06

cut out the corrupt politicians. they carry no responsibility for their part in this? Or the voters who have access to all the same information who do nothing about it? There is no "corporate capitalist boogie man" here and the failure is at many different levels.

Edited 2014-01-23 13:26 UTC

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RE[2]: Age-old practice
by MOS6510 on Thu 23rd Jan 2014 17:23 in reply to "RE: Age-old practice"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

You can't cure it, but you can accept it and stop kidding ourselves that politicians do what's best for us and tell us the truth.

Assume them to be lying cheating bastards, because that's what most are and the ones that aren't will become.

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RE[2]: Age-old practice
by wocowboy on Fri 24th Jan 2014 11:11 in reply to "RE: Age-old practice"
wocowboy Member since:
2006-06-01

A disease unchecked, un-vaccinated/prevented can wipe out a population. Lobbyists cannot, there is just a bit of difference between the two. Unless, say, a particular group of lobbyists are advocating for a company they represent that has a death ray that can wipe out a portion of the population if fired and they want to sell that to the military. But we're talking lobbyists for computer device manufacturers here, so let's be reasonable.

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RE: Age-old practice
by kwan_e on Thu 23rd Jan 2014 11:17 in reply to "Age-old practice"
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

The companies spending money for influence do not vote, but they are made up of people who do vote, so it behooves the legislators to consider what the lobbyists have to say.



And since when are companies' legislation desires always in line with the people they're made up of? I work for a, let's say, patent-loving multinational, yet I don't agree with software patents at all.

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RE[2]: Age-old practice
by wocowboy on Fri 24th Jan 2014 11:13 in reply to "RE: Age-old practice"
wocowboy Member since:
2006-06-01

They often aren't, that's another sad fact of the situation, it is ONLY about the company itself, its bottom line, and its investors. Like I said, it's a fact of life as old as civilization and will never be lost.

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RE: Age-old practice
by ricegf on Thu 23rd Jan 2014 11:47 in reply to "Age-old practice"
ricegf Member since:
2007-04-25

I'm perfectly fine with stockholders banding together to pool their time and money to influence their representatives, as is their right under the US constitution. However, that lobbying organization should be completely separate from the corporation that is chartered by the government for financial and liability advantages, not for lobbying.

Make corporate contributions and lobbying illegal, and drive regulation to the lowest level of government practical so that it is most easily influenced by private citizens, and you've taken two giant steps in the direction of effective governance.

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Not as old as democracy
by dionicio on Thu 23rd Jan 2014 15:05 in reply to "Age-old practice"
dionicio Member since:
2006-07-12

It departs from
the first axiom of democracy:
One citizen - One rock.

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Cont: Not as old as democracy
by dionicio on Thu 23rd Jan 2014 15:15 in reply to "Not as old as democracy"
dionicio Member since:
2006-07-12

Now,
On defense of Google:
In between wolfs, show your teeth.

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Cont: Not as old as democracy
by dionicio on Thu 23rd Jan 2014 15:30 in reply to "Not as old as democracy"
dionicio Member since:
2006-07-12

Lobbing is a legalized form of
bulling the wish of the non-lobbied, the non-rich.
Lobbing is the main instrument of plutocracies.

There are other forms of group bulling
over democratic processes,
unions, guilds, etc.

But the real FUD comes from lobbies.

Edited 2014-01-23 15:44 UTC

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Cont: Not as old as democracy
by dionicio on Thu 23rd Jan 2014 15:55 in reply to "Not as old as democracy"
dionicio Member since:
2006-07-12

You Know
somebody has fallen
from Olympus Mons
when their issues
are subjected to democratic processes.

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dionicio Member since:
2006-07-12
Cont: Not as old as democracy
by dionicio on Fri 24th Jan 2014 15:46 in reply to "Not as old as democracy"
dionicio Member since:
2006-07-12

What most amaze me
is how few petty millions bucks
are needed to
twist the will of a Nation
and to alter the route
of trillions of bucks.

:/

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Cont: Not as old as democracy
by dionicio on Fri 24th Jan 2014 16:00 in reply to "Not as old as democracy"
dionicio Member since:
2006-07-12

Here you have
a mechanism to control
lobby bulling:

An amount equal or greater than
all official and non-official lobby aportations
should be taken from taxes
in order to protect
the non-lobbied.

The non-lobbied lobby.
Remember:
The evil is always in the details.

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RE: Age-old practice
by hackus on Thu 23rd Jan 2014 18:11 in reply to "Age-old practice"
hackus Member since:
2006-06-28

Mmmm....

Various mafia types use to control large sections of New York.

By your reasoning shouldn't they have been listened to as well since they are made up of people who live in the city?

The problem is decisions are being made through the use of money, by organizational structures not accessible to those who must live with the consequences of these decisions.

That is corrupt because it is power exercised without due process of the republic clearly spelled out in the Law of the Land.

Whole sections of the Law of the Land are now obsolete.

The evil this is spawning is going to be so horrendous, they will have to burn the bodies from the mass death that will result from all of this mischief you read about in the news.

History is repeating itself. Mass death will be much more efficient than in the previous wars.

They will have so many dead bodies they will have to resort to burning them.

They will blot out the sun.

-Hack

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RE: Age-old practice
by StuS on Thu 23rd Jan 2014 19:17 in reply to "Age-old practice"
StuS Member since:
2012-12-01

The problem with corporations lobbying is, in reality, it basically comes down to the C-level executives and board spending company money to lobby for whatever the feel are the right positions - regardless of how the people in the company feel and what's actually good for the company in long run, let alone the rest of the country.

Letting individuals hire lobbyist to help them advance their own issues - not perfect, but OK. Letting chief executives, who already have a inordinate amount of power in society, use company funds to lobby the government to support their interests - just drives inequality deeper, and does not result in good or stable government.

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RE: Age-old practice
by Soulbender on Thu 23rd Jan 2014 19:40 in reply to "Age-old practice"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

And as distasteful as it is, it's a fact of life that will never go away.


So is murder, theft and rape but you don't see that being legalized.

The companies spending money for influence do not vote, but they are made up of people who do vote, so it behooves the legislators to consider what the lobbyists have to say.


What benefits the corporate entity is seldom the same as what benefits the individual employees.

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RE: Age-old practice
by thesunnyk on Thu 23rd Jan 2014 22:55 in reply to "Age-old practice"
thesunnyk Member since:
2010-05-21

If you look back, there were a bunch of wolf whistles in the form of regulation that the president conveniently "stopped" that was (potentially) a signal to these industries that if they didn't start "donating" money and become "politically involved", they would be up shit creek.

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RE: Age-old practice
by bassbeast on Sat 25th Jan 2014 08:49 in reply to "Age-old practice"
bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

But once upon a time we actually did bust the corrupt, remember Ab-scam? The reason why I personally think the current system is doomed is that there is no longer any fear of consequences, these lawmakers tout their corruption in the open and care not because its by the 1% and for the 1%.

When the financial bubble bursts, which it will, it is no longer avoidable but inevitable, it will make the great depression look like a flash crash and the people won't just crawl off to silently starve to death like in the 30s, its gonna get French Revolution levels of ugly. Look at the chart around the 4.30 mark of this video, compare the 29 levels to current, its gonna be some kinds of nasty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF87sMjYlws">

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