Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 23rd Jan 2014 11:54 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless

Nokia has just posted its results for the fourth quarter of 2013 - this is the last set of quarterly results which include the devices division, which has been sold to Microsoft. The parts that remain at Nokia are doing relatively well, but the holiday quarter for Lumia was a letdown.

Exactly how much of a letdown we can't say, since Nokia has - curiously, but tellingly - stopped reporting Lumia sales (update: Nokia has confirmed it sold 8.2 million Lumias). However, they do state that Lumia sales in the fourth (holiday) quarter were down from the third quarter, but up from the year-ago quarter, meaning they sold anywhere between 4.4 and 8.8 million Lumias during the holiday quarter of 2013. Tweakers' Arnoud Wokke has done the math, and concludes Nokia sold between 7.55 and 7.98 million Lumias (update: Nokia has confirmed it sold 8.2 million Lumias). Average selling price dropped again, most likely due to the popularity of the low-end 520. This gives Nokia a smartphone market share of about 2-3%.

All in all, the devices division, with its crashing Asha sales and struggling Lumia sales, was a clear stone around Nokia's neck, kept somewhat afloat by cash injections from Microsoft. However, those injections apparently weren't enough, and by now, we can conclude that Microsoft was effectively forced to step in and buy Nokia's devices division - lest someone else do it.

With this being the last quarter in which Nokia reports on its devices division, an era has come to an end. Now it's up to Microsoft to try and see if they can make something out of the Lumia brand - however, without the Nokia name, that's going to be a very tough sell.

Just ask the Surface department.

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RE: Comment by Nelson
by hamster on Thu 23rd Jan 2014 14:19 UTC in reply to "Comment by Nelson"
hamster
Member since:
2006-10-06

Respect for admitting you were wrong.

About the nokia android phone. I don't see it as a posibility. I would think that Nokia has some limits on what they can do on the mobile phone area for x years.

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RE[2]: Comment by Nelson
by Nelson on Thu 23rd Jan 2014 15:07 in reply to "RE: Comment by Nelson"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

True, but I actually think now that Microsoft will launch this handset.

Consider the following:

- Microsoft already has their services on Android (Skype, Outlook, Xbox Live games, Xbox Music, etc)

- We live in an Android world. Why not Microsoft Android? It can be positioned as a cheaper alternative to Google Android where you'd need to pay out licensing fees to Microsoft.

- Microsoft has a volume play to put their services front and center, like Kindle Fire. Microsoft can curate their own Android app store like Amazon does.

- Microsoft can push their development platform onto Android. If they buy out Xamarin/Mono then they already have Xamarin.Android which is a lot of the way there already.

- Microsoft can still push Windows Phone. Just push it in addition to Android devices replacing the low end, and iOS Services

- S40 on Asha is already foreign to Microsoft, so they might as well go to Android for that lineup.

- High growth exists mostly in developing countries. Android lets them reuse existing manufacturing lines, component supplier BSPs, and has a warmer reception from carriers

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RE[3]: Comment by Nelson
by Vanders on Thu 23rd Jan 2014 15:29 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Nelson"
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2005-07-06

If Microsoft were to launch an Android handset, it would likely be a bullet in the head for WP. Even if Microsoft don't intend it to be, I suspect that the market and app developers would see it as a sign that Microsoft don't have faith in WP as a platform, and react accordingly.

I'd expect them to plug on with WP, possibly even launching WP9, before they re-evaluate their strategy.

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RE[3]: Comment by Nelson
by TBPrince on Thu 23rd Jan 2014 15:58 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Nelson"
TBPrince Member since:
2005-07-06

I think there is 0.0 chances they will launch any handset using Android. Controlling your own operating system is the basic strategy as OS (both on mobile, desktop, tablets and everywhere) actually is the trojan horse for your services.

This is true for Google / Android and for Microsoft / Windows (Phone).

Microsoft will simply do what they need to make WP successful enough, including buying handset makers out as they did. Interestingly enough, that's what Google also did.

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RE[3]: Comment by Nelson
by reduz on Thu 23rd Jan 2014 16:20 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Nelson"
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2006-02-25

http://www.mslinux.org/

I never thought this would actually become true, given it's 14 years old.

Edited 2014-01-23 16:21 UTC

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RE[3]: Comment by Nelson
by unclefester on Fri 24th Jan 2014 07:33 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Nelson"
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2007-01-13

WP8 phones use mostly standard Android hardware. WP8 uses fewer resources than Android. WP8 phones typically use cheaper hardware than big brand Android phones in the same price bracket. Using WP8 is a cheaper and better solution than Android.

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RE[3]: Comment by Nelson
by hamster on Sat 25th Jan 2014 13:57 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Nelson"
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2006-10-06


- Microsoft can still push Windows Phone. Just push it in addition to Android devices replacing the low end, and iOS Services


Seeing how they currently are working the buttom price range allready with wp i am not so sure that they would want to use their own version of android in that area aswell.

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RE[3]: Comment by Nelson
by zima on Mon 27th Jan 2014 01:35 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Nelson"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

- S40 on Asha is already foreign to Microsoft

And not only S40, also ex-Smarterphone / Asha platform ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_Asha_platform )

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