Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 23rd Jan 2014 11:54 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless

Nokia has just posted its results for the fourth quarter of 2013 - this is the last set of quarterly results which include the devices division, which has been sold to Microsoft. The parts that remain at Nokia are doing relatively well, but the holiday quarter for Lumia was a letdown.

Exactly how much of a letdown we can't say, since Nokia has - curiously, but tellingly - stopped reporting Lumia sales (update: Nokia has confirmed it sold 8.2 million Lumias). However, they do state that Lumia sales in the fourth (holiday) quarter were down from the third quarter, but up from the year-ago quarter, meaning they sold anywhere between 4.4 and 8.8 million Lumias during the holiday quarter of 2013. Tweakers' Arnoud Wokke has done the math, and concludes Nokia sold between 7.55 and 7.98 million Lumias (update: Nokia has confirmed it sold 8.2 million Lumias). Average selling price dropped again, most likely due to the popularity of the low-end 520. This gives Nokia a smartphone market share of about 2-3%.

All in all, the devices division, with its crashing Asha sales and struggling Lumia sales, was a clear stone around Nokia's neck, kept somewhat afloat by cash injections from Microsoft. However, those injections apparently weren't enough, and by now, we can conclude that Microsoft was effectively forced to step in and buy Nokia's devices division - lest someone else do it.

With this being the last quarter in which Nokia reports on its devices division, an era has come to an end. Now it's up to Microsoft to try and see if they can make something out of the Lumia brand - however, without the Nokia name, that's going to be a very tough sell.

Just ask the Surface department.

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RE: Cheap phones
by nagerst on Thu 23rd Jan 2014 19:51 UTC in reply to "Cheap phones"
nagerst
Member since:
2013-11-07

Excuse my ignorance, but for what purpose does kids even need cellphones? They are under adult supervision almost all the time they are away from home and cellphones are very distracting to young minds and has proven to be a bad influence on their grades and decreases the attention span.

I mean i would be a silly parent if i did not send a cellphone if they are going out camping in the woods, or traveling a long distance on public transportation and so on. But i would never buy one for my kids, when they are old enough to save up for one, they can do so with their own money.

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RE[2]: Cheap phones
by WereCatf on Thu 23rd Jan 2014 19:58 in reply to "RE: Cheap phones"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Excuse my ignorance, but for what purpose does kids even need cellphones?


How about calling their parents if they're out playing and something happens? Or if they get lost? If they're at a friend's house overnight and get homesick and just want to call their parents quickly from the bed to ease them to sleep? I dunno, I certainly would want my kids to be able to reach me no matter where they are or what the time is.

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RE[3]: Cheap phones
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Thu 23rd Jan 2014 20:54 in reply to "RE[2]: Cheap phones"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Yeah, looking back on stories from childhood with parents is a common activity. Usually the story has a point where someone points out how a cell phone would have prevented the whole catastrophe.

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RE[3]: Cheap phones
by kwan_e on Fri 24th Jan 2014 03:10 in reply to "RE[2]: Cheap phones"
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

"Excuse my ignorance, but for what purpose does kids even need cellphones?


How about calling their parents if they're out playing and something happens? Or if they get lost? If they're at a friend's house overnight and get homesick and just want to call their parents quickly from the bed to ease them to sleep? I dunno, I certainly would want my kids to be able to reach me no matter where they are or what the time is.
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I'm not normally an old fogey about these things, but kids have survived without cellphones before. It teaches them to be prepared every time they go out and not rely on the parents swooping in and provide them with what they need.

But I understand it will be a necessity in the future as people get rid of landlines*. All together.

* Or only use lines for the internet, which I do.

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RE[2]: Cheap phones
by unclefester on Fri 24th Jan 2014 07:26 in reply to "RE: Cheap phones"
unclefester Member since:
2007-01-13

Excuse my ignorance, but for what purpose does kids even need cellphones?


Here's a perfect example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Daniel_Morcombe

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RE[2]: Cheap phones
by henderson101 on Fri 24th Jan 2014 09:41 in reply to "RE: Cheap phones"
henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

She is in the equivalent of the US "High school". She walks to school unsupervised. If we sent her to school with no way of her contacting us in an emergency, we would be failing as parents. Given also that I'm separated from her mother, it also allows her to keep in contact with me on a regular basis and in such a way that her mother is not in total control.

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RE[3]: Cheap phones
by WereCatf on Fri 24th Jan 2014 10:20 in reply to "RE[2]: Cheap phones"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

She is in the equivalent of the US "High school". She walks to school unsupervised.


Here in Finland it's common for kids all the way from the 1st grade of elementary-school to walk unsupervised to the school. Parents or someone they know walk them to school and back for the first few weeks so they learn the route, but after that they generally walk it all by themselves. As such there's plenty of reason to make sure they always have a cell-phone with them.

As an aside, in my family all the kids had a saldo-limit on their phones, ie. you got 10 Finnish marks (we moved to Euro much later) a month to use as you saw fit, but after that you could only call our mom or the police, or receive calls. No SMS, no calls to anyone else. It taught us some preliminary skills at planning and budgeting the 10 FIMK so it'd roughly last the whole month, a skill that isn't terribly easy to teach to kids so young, but one that we couldn't avoid learning simply because we all had cell-phones. IMHO it was a useful skill to learn.

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RE[3]: Cheap phones
by zima on Mon 27th Jan 2014 01:52 in reply to "RE[2]: Cheap phones"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

11 years in an equivalent of high school? O_o

Edited 2014-01-27 01:53 UTC

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RE[2]: Cheap phones
by lindkvis on Fri 24th Jan 2014 14:20 in reply to "RE: Cheap phones"
lindkvis Member since:
2006-11-21

But i would never buy one for my kids, when they are old enough to save up for one, they can do so with their own money.


You might change your mind when your kids are the ones that don't get invited for birthday parties and nobody comes to theirs. Having a principled attitude towards it isn't going to heal the heart break.

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