Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 30th Jan 2014 23:13 UTC

Microsoft is once again planning to alter the way its Start Screen works in Windows 8.1 Update 1. While the software giant originally released Windows 8.1 last year with an option to bypass the "Metro" interface at boot, sources familiar with Microsoft's plans have revealed to The Verge that the upcoming "Update 1" for Windows 8.1 will enable this by default. Like many other changes in Update 1, we’re told the reason for the reversal is to improve the OS for keyboard and mouse users.

Wow, a touch interface does not work with a mouse and keyboard. Who saw that coming.

I expect photos of many people eating crow.

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It's really not so bad...
by novad on Fri 31st Jan 2014 06:17 UTC
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Personal opinions are worth what they are worth, but nevertheless, here is mine.

It’s some time now I work in IT and I’ve used more or less everything that MS has released since windows 3.1 and NT3.51. There have been many reasons to complain about MS in the past and there are still some today, but most of what I hear since Win7 is nothing more than a Pavolvian rant against MS.

First: Stability… Windows 7 and more have become rock solid… Be honest. How many BSODs did you have on these Windows versions without tweaking the system to death??? I suspect this number to be very low except if related to defective hardware.

Second: Security… Windows has always been the target for every possible security attack. This has forced MS to work as well on the security context in which the user work which now is much closer to what’s used in Linux as well as the inherent kernel security. It’s much more complicated to exploit a loophole in a well secured Windows box than it is on MacOS or even most Nuxs (even for an “out of the box system”). Since Vista and the introduction of the UAC Windows has become a really safe place. There are still morons that disable the UAC by default as there are Nux users who always work as root. Stupidity is universal and no technology can totally avoid that.

Third: Driver compatibility… On this one there is just no discussion possible… For one device that won’t work on Windows you have hundreds that won’t work on (insert OS you want here). It has always been a pain (and sometimes impossible) to make every single device work on my hardware when I used Nux instead of Windows. Most problems I had were with WLAN, printers and Video. I’m aware that problems are almost always caused by lack of support by the hardware manufacturer but in the end the result is the same. A big headache

Fourth: Worth for the money… This one is trickier as it depends on what you do and how much time you need to set it up on your box. On the server side Linux has still an important place but there are 2 technologies where MS has dramatically improved its serves. Hyper-V and Storage Space. These could be game changers for virtualization and scale out storage. For the rest, no major change.

Fifth: Manageability… Just one word (ok… three) GPO

The last is a more personal comment about Metro. I had to work with it and hated it from the first second. It’s not bad for tablets or phones (I won’t talk about the lack of Metro apps) but is really a pain on the desktop. I really tried to get used to it but after a few days I gave up and installed a start menu replacement. For those who really used Windows 8 (Like I did), the 8.1 update has really brought a lot of improvements. The return of the start button (even if very different from what we had in 7) is really a blessing. The tweaks made to the metro interface itself and the integration of some functionalities that always relied on external software (Fingerprints or GSM) is really nice. I’m still not a fan of Metro on the desktop (far away from it) but it has become much better than the complete failure it was with 8.0. There is still one thing that won’t get better over time and that I deeply hate… It’s the way MS tries to tie everything to a MS account. It becomes sometimes really tricky to use some functionalities without an MS account.

Edit: Typo corrected

Edited 2014-01-31 06:20 UTC

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RE: It's really not so bad...
by shotsman on Fri 31st Jan 2014 06:54 in reply to "It's really not so bad..."
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Are you kidding?

How does using GPO have any relevance at all to a non locked down business user aka, the man/woman in the street?

Do they even care avout GPO's? Actually do they know or even care that they exist? No they don't.

If you think that GPS are the be-all-and-end-all then I really feel sorry for you and how hard it must be to live and work in the Microsoft Abbey Cloisters preaching this [redacted].

Yeah, I'm bitter because a stupid GPO rolled out by a newly certified MCSE idiot stopped a complete factory complex from working for more than a day.

We were lucky that most of the really critical systems run Unix or Linux and didn't get infected but the GPO meant that nothing could move around the plant.

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RE[2]: It's really not so bad...
by novad on Fri 31st Jan 2014 07:38 in reply to "RE: It's really not so bad..."
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Calm down a bit. I just gave my opionion... If you don't agree we can discuss. ;)

I don't remember that I've restricted my comments to home users. GPOs indeed arn't very usefull to homeusers as are every IT Asset Management tool, but in enterprise GPOs are vital.

You had a problem with a guy who missconfigured a GPO? Ok... That's bad... Really. But the problem is not due to the technology of GPOs itself. It's due the guy who missconfigured it and deployed it without testing.

Please.. Tell me how you would manage an IT infrastructure of thousands or even hundreds of workplaces without GPOs (or an army of helpdesk workers). There is no usable equivalent in the Mac or Nux world. It's as simple as that.

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RE: It's really not so bad...
by Soulbender on Sat 1st Feb 2014 06:07 in reply to "It's really not so bad..."
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Third: Driver compatibility… On this one there is just no discussion possible

Just like how it is incorrect to say that Windows is unstable so is it incorrect to say that Linux lacks drivers. It's just not true anymore

Fifth: Manageability… Just one word (ok… three) GPO

5 words:

Puppet, CFEngine, Chef, Ansible, SaltStack

All of these are just as good as GPO and better than GPO for some things.

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RE[2]: It's really not so bad...
by TomB on Sun 2nd Feb 2014 03:31 in reply to "RE: It's really not so bad..."
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Just like how it is incorrect to say that Windows is unstable so is it incorrect to say that Linux lacks drivers. It's just not true anymore

While it's definitely not Linux's fault but rather the hardware manufacturer's, I do find myself struggling to get certain hardware to work in Linux, quite frequently. Mostly due to the lack of support from the manufacturer, of course. But that doesn't help me, I'm the one who has to spend hours/days fiddling with it (sometimes I give up) whereas it works in Windows on the same box with just a few clicks. Yes, Linux has much better driver support now than it used to have, but as long as there's so many hardware manufacturers that poorly support Linux, or not support it at all, there's always going to be major headaches...

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