Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 10th Feb 2014 00:03 UTC
Windows

The reason this happened is that while Sinofsky had the maniacal power and force of will of a Steve Jobs, he lacked Jobs' best gift: An innate understanding of good design. Windows 8 is not well-designed. It's a mess. But Windows 8 is a bigger problem than that. Windows 8 is a disaster in every sense of the word.

This is not open to debate, is not part of some cute imaginary world where everyone's opinion is equally valid or whatever. Windows 8 is a disaster. Period.

Paul Thurrott shares some of his inside information, and it's pretty damning. According to him, Sinofsky's team - even up to his major supporter, Steve Ballmer - were removed from the company after it became clear just much of a disaster Windows 8 was.

I agree with his conclusion: razor-sharp focus on productivity, Windows' number one use. The desktop side of Windows 8.x is pretty good as it is, and has been progressively getting better with every update. I would go one step further than Thurrott. Windows 9 (desktops/laptops) and Windows Metro (tablets/smartphones). These two can still be one product (e.g., connect a keyboard/mouse/monitor to your x86 smartphone and it opens the desktop), but they should be entirely separate environments.

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RE[3]: meh
by WereCatf on Tue 11th Feb 2014 10:58 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: meh"
WereCatf
Member since:
2006-02-15

Keyboard yes, mouse I don't think is necessary... Just because you are used to positioning the monitor right in front of your head doesn't mean a solution where it is tilted up towards you on the desk in front of you (a la Wacom Cintiq) isn't just as viable...


With the display positioned standing up it takes a lot less space, meaning that you can use the desk for a lot of other things too. Many (most?) people have the tendency of keeping whatever papers or whatnot they're working on in front of the display for easy reference.

On the other hand, the Wacom Cintiq is generally placed as the fore-most item on the desk, even displacing the keyboard to the side. It's suitable for tasks where you only need to work with a stylus, but once you need to start working on data input with a keyboard the setup immediately becomes a whole lot less suitable. Also, as has been said and as should be immediately obvious, using the display with a stylus or touch requires you to keep waving your hand in the air and that's quite tiring.

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RE[4]: meh
by Moochman on Tue 11th Feb 2014 13:03 in reply to "RE[3]: meh"
Moochman Member since:
2005-07-06

...what's tiring IMHO is this "tiring" argument. You don't need to "wave" your hand around; we're not talking about freehand gestures here. It's not any more tiring than the kind of pen-and-paper-based interaction we've managed to get along with for hundreds of years, and touch, in particular multi-touch in combination with a stylus, has the potential to be much more intuitive and efficient than a mouse. Check out e.g. this demo from some folks at Microsoft Research and maybe you'll begin to be able to glimpse the potential:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sTgLYH8qWs

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RE[5]: meh
by WereCatf on Tue 11th Feb 2014 14:46 in reply to "RE[4]: meh"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

and touch, in particular multi-touch in combination with a stylus, has the potential to be much more intuitive and efficient than a mouse. Check out e.g. this demo from some folks at Microsoft Research and maybe you'll begin to be able to glimpse the potential:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sTgLYH8qWs


I see a lot of large movements of hands, also requiring the use of both hands for operation, whereas with a mouse you barely move your wrist and click a button -- both with only one hand. In other words, a lot more physical activity is required for the same tasks on the touch-screen, and you're losing the freedom to use your other hand simultaneously for something else. And as I mentioned earlier, there's no room in front of the display for any documents or anything, requiring all of that to be relegated to the sides.

Touch may be more intuitive, but in general a mouse is more efficient.

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