Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 10th Feb 2014 00:03 UTC
Windows

The reason this happened is that while Sinofsky had the maniacal power and force of will of a Steve Jobs, he lacked Jobs' best gift: An innate understanding of good design. Windows 8 is not well-designed. It's a mess. But Windows 8 is a bigger problem than that. Windows 8 is a disaster in every sense of the word.

This is not open to debate, is not part of some cute imaginary world where everyone's opinion is equally valid or whatever. Windows 8 is a disaster. Period.

Paul Thurrott shares some of his inside information, and it's pretty damning. According to him, Sinofsky's team - even up to his major supporter, Steve Ballmer - were removed from the company after it became clear just much of a disaster Windows 8 was.

I agree with his conclusion: razor-sharp focus on productivity, Windows' number one use. The desktop side of Windows 8.x is pretty good as it is, and has been progressively getting better with every update. I would go one step further than Thurrott. Windows 9 (desktops/laptops) and Windows Metro (tablets/smartphones). These two can still be one product (e.g., connect a keyboard/mouse/monitor to your x86 smartphone and it opens the desktop), but they should be entirely separate environments.

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RE[5]: meh
by WereCatf on Tue 11th Feb 2014 14:46 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: meh"
WereCatf
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2006-02-15

and touch, in particular multi-touch in combination with a stylus, has the potential to be much more intuitive and efficient than a mouse. Check out e.g. this demo from some folks at Microsoft Research and maybe you'll begin to be able to glimpse the potential:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sTgLYH8qWs


I see a lot of large movements of hands, also requiring the use of both hands for operation, whereas with a mouse you barely move your wrist and click a button -- both with only one hand. In other words, a lot more physical activity is required for the same tasks on the touch-screen, and you're losing the freedom to use your other hand simultaneously for something else. And as I mentioned earlier, there's no room in front of the display for any documents or anything, requiring all of that to be relegated to the sides.

Touch may be more intuitive, but in general a mouse is more efficient.

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RE[6]: meh
by Moochman on Wed 12th Feb 2014 05:06 in reply to "RE[5]: meh"
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2005-07-06


I see a lot of large movements of hands, also requiring the use of both hands for operation, whereas with a mouse you barely move your wrist and click a button -- both with only one hand. In other words, a lot more physical activity is required for the same tasks on the touch-screen, and you're losing the freedom to use your other hand simultaneously for something else. And as I mentioned earlier, there's no room in front of the display for any documents or anything, requiring all of that to be relegated to the sides.

Touch may be more intuitive, but in general a mouse is more efficient.


I think your definition of "efficient" is a bit off. Using a mouse may require a smaller range of physical movement, but in terms of time needed to complete a task it is generally slower, as its single-click input modality tends to require a lot of mode switching - either via a toolbar, where buttons are significantly slower to target via mouse than when using touch, or via keyboard shortcuts, which while potentially approximately the same speed as multi-touch gestures are harder (take a longer time) to learn and in general are only employed by a minority of "expert" users.

As for the argument about having room for documents, that's a good point but within a few years probably more or less moot. More and more documents are moving to digital-only, and for the niche case where you absolutely must have hard copies near at hand you can just prop them up on a stand behind the touch surface. Admittedly most people don't have such document stands on their desks currently but then again neither did desks used to come with holes and guides for computer cords... as the need arises for a different kind of desk setup it shouldn't be too hard to adapt.

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RE[7]: meh
by MadRat on Wed 12th Feb 2014 05:48 in reply to "RE[6]: meh"
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2006-02-17

Touch requires me to reposition my hands, often both. I had 300+ options with mouse and keyboard with minimal hand repositioning. Anybody that thinks touch is more efficient is being ignorant.

The tablet works okay with touch because of the low input demands when using a dumbed down GUI.

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