Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 26th Mar 2014 14:48 UTC
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In early March, 2007, as Google was expanding fast and furiously, one of its recruiters from the "Google.com Engineering" group made a career-ending mistake: She cold-contacted an Apple engineer by email, violating the secret and illegal non-solicitation compact that her boss, Eric Schmidt, had agreed with Apple's Steve Jobs.

What happened next is just one of many specific examples of how people's lives were impacted by the Techtopus wage-theft cartel that was taken down by the Department of Justice antitrust division, and is currently being litigated in a landmark class action lawsuit.

This story sent shivers down my spine. What a bunch of horrible, unethical scumbags. Sadly, their criminal behaviour won't really have any meaningful consequences. These people reside above the law.

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MOS6510
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2011-05-12

It's not surprising it doesn't upset me or, as you generalizing put, "people like me", because:

(1 I don't know this woman
(2 I don't work for Apple or Google
(3 I'm not a software developer
(4 This happened a long time ago
(5 This was in the news a long time ago

So I'm not upset, nor am I happily accepting it. It's against the law and even though I can understand both sides (employer and employee) I think it should not be allowed.

I would be upset if I were this woman or I knew this nameless and faceless woman. If Thom's favorite pen broke I can understand he'd be upset, despite some plane full of people (and their pens) missing which would be worse. Stuff that happens to us personally it always much worse than stuff that happens far away to people we have no bond with. So if Thom gets shivers down his spine because an unknown woman apparently was fired he's just pretending to be upset to make the article more interesting just like the comments added between the emails by the site editors to which the link points that try to spoon feed an opinion to us to make it much worse/evil than it really is.

My argument is that we should become realistic and stop pretending the world is a nice and happy place and these things are isolated incidents. Because now, people like you, are kidding themselves that people and companies abide the law and are out there for YOUR best interest. They are not, they are all in it for themselves and they break laws all the time.

Steve Jobs wasn't a nice personal and he died as a very rich and successful person while a lot of nice people die poor and not successful. That's the deeper thought behind this article: those who bend or break rules are more successful. "People like you" let this happen, because they either are not aware of this or don't want to know.

Think of politicians. They lie to us, we know they lie, they know we know they lie, but they still lie and we still vote for them because even though we know they lie we still believe them. And then people like you get upset when it turns out they they lied to us. People like me don't accept the lies, but we accept that it happens so we are aware and not surprised when another story hits the media.

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HappyGod Member since:
2005-10-19

You're trying to change your position to sound less cold hearted and failing.

In your original post you implied that although the action was illegal, you didn't think it was that big a deal.

You apparently have trouble distinguishing between an optimistic realist and a cynic. Simply because bad things shock you doesn't mean you are naive about their existance. I don't want to become desensitised to bad behaviour. Once you accept it, you condone it.

Also, because unethical behaviour doesn't affect you, doesn't mean it doesn't affect anyone else. Try to imagine a world where not every person thinks like you do.

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MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

I still don't think it's a big deal. And why should it be? People get fired every day for much worse reasons, but they don't make the media. This person does, a long time ago even, and now we should get upset by it?

The only thing I accept is that companies and people behave wrong and illegal. They have done before, they are doing it now and they will keep doing it. The wrongdoing itself I won't accept and I think we should always strive to keep everybody honest and within the law.

What does bug me most is that the ones who break the law or at least bend it end up, what we consider, the winners. Being nice and honest doesn't get you far in this world. In my opinion people who break the law should be punished harder.

Big companies, like Apple, Google and Samsung, can easily break the law, pay the fines or settle and still make a profit. So why should they stop doing it? Samsung got a very big fine for copying Apple, but in the end they still made much more money and what happened to other companies that didn't copy Apple but tried to do their own thing? They lost out.

On a society level politicians and financial companies are much much much much worse and they get away with it too.

But we should pretend these things are incidents and they shock us. We should accept it happens and act upon it. We don't now, because it's easier to believe all is well.

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