Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 31st Mar 2014 23:45 UTC
Mozilla & Gecko clones

For the Internet community, the principles of free speech and equal rights are foundational. But in recent days, those issues are clashing at Mozilla, the nonprofit foundation and tech company behind the Firefox browser.

At issue is Brendan Eich, a co-founder of Mozilla, inventor of the much used Javascript programming language and the newly appointed CEO of the company. Eich made a $1,000 donation to the campaign for California's Proposition 8, which defined marriage as only between a man and a woman. The donation had come to light in 2012, but fizzled.

Opposing same-sex marriage is no different than opposing interracial marriage. As a Dutchman, it baffles me that an organisation like Mozilla appointed a man with such medieval ideas.

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FFS
by p13. on Tue 1st Apr 2014 06:33 UTC
p13.
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2005-07-10

It doesn't matter one bit. The guy invented javascript. He's qualified for the job.
His views on gay marriage do not matter. At all.
If you want to be outraged, do so in your own time.
This is no different than the puppetry that goes on in US politics with the sex scandals. Someone wants his job, so they'll dig up the dirt.

Keep politics away from OSS, please.

Edited 2014-04-01 06:46 UTC

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RE: FFS
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 1st Apr 2014 07:11 in reply to "FFS"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

This isn't politics. This is civil rights. What if he supported a campaign to ban interracial marriage? What if he supported a campaign to have Jewish people wear yellow stars? What if he supported a campaign to have segregated government buildings?

He supports apartheid, and he is gives a position of considerable power. *Of course* people inside Mozilla are worried. Would you be just as callous if black employees asked ab openly racist CEO to step down?

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RE[2]: FFS
by p13. on Tue 1st Apr 2014 07:19 in reply to "RE: FFS"
p13. Member since:
2005-07-10

First things first ...
He is not doing any of the things you mentioned.

Now that we have that out of the way ...
He is a CEO of a FOSS company. He cannot and will not dictate world politics. If he gets out of line within mozilla, he will be ejected.

Most politicians i know are psychopaths. That seems to be perfectly acceptable however. Just don't ever have sex, say anything even remotely racist, or don't ever come near the gay marriage issue and you'll be fine, right?

Listen, i support gay marriage. I think all men and women are equal, no matter their origin, preferences, disposition, skin color, etc.
This INCLUDES people with a differing opinion. As long as they don't go out of their way to hurt others, or myself, i'm fine with that.

That is the basic idea behind democracy, isn't it?

It's funny how we're all rooting for democracy, but the second someone feels they're right, and others are wrong, the same rules don't apply anymore.

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RE[2]: FFS
by bubbayank on Tue 1st Apr 2014 07:31 in reply to "RE: FFS"
bubbayank Member since:
2005-07-15

Holy crap. I haven't been to this site in ages, but I come here, read this story, and see it's been overrun with wacky US tea party/Randian nutjobs.

Good show fellas! CEO is hired who gave money to suppress basic civil rights of others, and *your* panties are in a wad about his "freedom" to deserve a job he doesn't deserve. You must have a better argument than that. Probably not though, as the modern quasi-libertarian views in vogue with low-EQ tech drones is at it's base nonsensical selfishness that assumes a crazy utopia that does not and will never exist.

And Thom, maybe get off the Dutch high horse. As a visitor to your fine country around the Christmas holidays a few years back, I saw WAY too many people in blackface. And the arguments I heard for ol' "Black Pete" sounded not unlike some of the people defending Eich in this thread.

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RE: FFS
by jal_ on Tue 1st Apr 2014 09:43 in reply to "FFS"
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2006-11-02

It doesn't matter one bit. The guy invented javascript. He's qualified for the job.


I would say that in general, a great technician is not a great CEO (or, the skills that make a great technician overlap only very partially with the skills that make a great CEO). So regardless of his stance on same-sex marriage, I'm not sure he's qualified.

His views on gay marriage do not matter. At all.


Yes it does. For one thing, whether FOSS or not, CEOs typically have quite some political power. Perhaps not Mozilla CEOs, but I can't judge that. Secondly, as CEO he's everyone's ├╝berboss. Would you like to work for a company that you know its CEO is a bigot?

This is no different than the puppetry that goes on in US politics with the sex scandals.


Yes it is. I'd say there's very little overlap. Sex scandals are dug up to inflict damage to opponents. This is dug up because as a CEO, he's responsible for an entire company's staff. This includes staff that's gay and married.

Keep politics away from OSS, please.


This is not about politics. This is about human decency. Also, tell RMS that (for reasons unrelated to this, of course).

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