Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 3rd Apr 2014 19:40 UTC
Mozilla & Gecko clones

Mozilla prides itself on being held to a different standard and, this past week, we didn't live up to it. We know why people are hurt and angry, and they are right: it's because we haven't stayed true to ourselves.

We didn’t act like you'd expect Mozilla to act. We didn't move fast enough to engage with people once the controversy started. We're sorry. We must do better.

Brendan Eich has chosen to step down from his role as CEO. He's made this decision for Mozilla and our community.

The only sensible move.

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What happened to freedom of speech?
by karunko on Thu 3rd Apr 2014 20:20 UTC
karunko
Member since:
2008-10-28

I know I'm going to be very unpopular with this one, but: what happened to freedom of speech? Is it only applicable to when people are saying things we agree with?

Just to clarify things: I don't agree with Brendan Eich's stance (I really don't care either way) but I still think he's entitled to his opinions and certainly free to donate money to support whatever campaign.

On the other hand, I quite like Voltaire's "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."


RT.

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jared_wilkes Member since:
2011-04-25

You're confused about what free speech is. Free Speech does not mean "ZERO CONSEQUENCES." He has his right to speak, to have his opinion, to hold onto it, and he still has those rights and opinions. No government entity is preventing him from having those opinions and views or speaking them.

But likewise, people have the right to disagree with them. However, there is no censorship, or barring of speech, by a government whatsoever involved in this instance. Because a public, non-profit corporation decided to listen to that dissent and decided it was in their best interest to not give him the most significant, public-facing role in a company is not by any means a suppression of anyone's rights of any kind.

Please people, don't conflate Freedom of Speech, one of the greatest rights invented by man, for the stupidity expressed above. It's insulting and degrades the true value of the freedom of speech. And makes you look like an idiot.

Edited 2014-04-03 20:29 UTC

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

There are those rare occasions where you and I can see eye to eye.

Well said. Very well so.

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karunko Member since:
2008-10-28

You're confused about what free speech is. Free Speech does not mean "ZERO CONSEQUENCES."

No I'm not. Of course you can say what you want and still be liable if you commit slander/libel and you can't shout "fire!" in a crowded theater. However:

However, there is no censorship, or barring of speech, by a government whatsoever involved in this instance.

So let me get this straight: censorship from the government is bad, but censorship from the mob is okay? Do you realize that freedom of speech means nothing if you're going to be lynched by the mob for having an opinion that doesn't fit with current times?

And makes you look like an idiot.

Thank you for proving my point! Please, enjoy your enlightened ways and your higher moral ground.


RT.

Edited 2014-04-04 05:44 UTC

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hipparchus2000 Member since:
2014-04-05

I 100% disagree with you.

I have no problem with gay marriage, but I have massive problems with your and others thought-police attitudes.

I won't be touching Mozilla products again until someone who believes in free speech and democracy is at the helm again. The current CEO should have backed Eich's rights to hold his own views.

Only an idiot would conflate his personal views with the views of the organisation.

We'll see if there is an exodus from the community. I expect there will be as people are really fucking tired of this thought police crap.

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Vinegar Joe Member since:
2006-08-16

I know I'm going to be very unpopular with this one, but: what happened to freedom of speech?


Dead and buried. Have you been in the US since 2008?

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