Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 11th Apr 2014 20:09 UTC
Graphics, User Interfaces

There's certainly some hope on the horizon with Apple and Google, though just how good these systems will be remains to be seen. One thing is clear, though: the current state of all in-car experiences is incredibly bad. For those manufacturers looking to go it alone, I don't expect much.

In-car software is absolutely horrifying and crazy complex. A good friend of mine regularly drives brand new and super-expensive cars (in the hundreds of thousands of euros category), and even in those cars, the user interfaces are just terrible. There's a lot of room for improvement and disruption here.

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disposable cars
by unclefester on Sat 12th Apr 2014 02:48 UTC
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The modern car is literally designed to be disposable. After about 100,000Km the potential cost of major repairs and service can be extraordinary (especially European models) and easily exceed the value of the car.

On of my friends chooses to drive a 50 year old Peugeot because it is extremely reliable and he can do virtually any repair or maintenance himself.

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RE: disposable cars
by ilovebeer on Sat 12th Apr 2014 05:29 in reply to "disposable cars"
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2011-08-08

Better performance & efficiency usually requires simplicity be sacrificed to some degree. In most cases I don't think that's a bad thing. Regardless of age & design, cars are filled with wear-parts. Whether we're talking your friends 50 year old Peugeot or something newer, major repairs and the cost associated with them are a certainty.

Edited 2014-04-12 05:30 UTC

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RE[2]: disposable cars
by unclefester on Sat 12th Apr 2014 08:19 in reply to "RE: disposable cars"
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The fuel efficiency of modern cars is based on totally unrealistic synthetic benchmarks that can underestimate real world fuel consumption by 30% or more.

A VW Golf DSG transmission costs >$8,000 (in Australia) to replace and it can fail after about five years (75,000Km) of normal use. $8000 will buy 6000 litres of petrol so efficiency isn't all that critical.

The Peugeot clutch costs $40 (plus labour) to replace and will easily last 100,000Km if driven properly. There are no expensive electronics to fail. Routine maintenance costs are no more than $100-200/year if you have some basic tools and some DIY ability.

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RE: disposable cars
by gfx1 on Sat 12th Apr 2014 09:22 in reply to "disposable cars"
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2006-01-20

50 year old Peugeots like the 404 rust like something very rusty, they are nice cars though. Lots of room around the engine to fix things.

Edited 2014-04-12 09:23 UTC

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RE: disposable cars
by Morgan on Sat 12th Apr 2014 12:38 in reply to "disposable cars"
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

I agree wholeheartedly. I have a 30 year old truck with a 40 year old (rebuilt) engine, and the only repairs I have to do are regular maintenance. It's about as dependable as a car can get.

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RE: disposable cars
by BluenoseJake on Sat 12th Apr 2014 17:44 in reply to "disposable cars"
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2005-08-11

you just need to buy a car with a proper warranty, the warranty on my Mazda is 10 years, unlimited kilometers on the drive train, 4 years (extendable for 6 years for 200 bucks) on everything else. I haven't even had to change my windshield wipers.

if you buy a cheap car, it's disposable. If you buy a good car, with a proper warranty, you'll get 10 years out of it.

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RE[2]: disposable cars
by zima on Tue 15th Apr 2014 23:28 in reply to "RE: disposable cars"
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2005-07-06

How you treat it also goes a long way. 1999 Renault Megane here, still going strong; but with proper maintenance.

BTW, even such budget brand as Kia has long warranties ;) (7 years on everything)

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RE: disposable cars
by somebody on Sun 13th Apr 2014 10:52 in reply to "disposable cars"
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2005-07-07

The modern car is literally designed to be disposable. After about 100,000Km the potential cost of major repairs and service can be extraordinary (especially European models) and easily exceed the value of the car.

On of my friends chooses to drive a 50 year old Peugeot because it is extremely reliable and he can do virtually any repair or maintenance himself.


don't know how you got european cars here. unless you think french cars+fiat=european cars and even those tend to be reliable to 200k. sad truth is that french cars tend to be cheaper and more popular even though quality is far from looks (everything about them when you look details screams "i was made cheap"). all you need is to do test drive in 1 month old french car and then go and try used bmw/vw at 300+k... notice the difference

german cars are probably as reliable as you can imagine. well, i can at least say that for bmw or vw.

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