Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 16th Apr 2014 21:57 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless

Yoon said Samsung was working to introduce at least two smartphones running on its own Tizen operating system, a major step in the market leader's bid to break out of the Android universe.

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Aaaand no-one cares
by The123king on Wed 16th Apr 2014 22:47 UTC
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No-one cares. Why? Because the market it already saturated with competing smartphone OSes. From the big 3 systems (iOS, Android, WP8.x) to the smaller players such as BB10, Sailfish OS, Firefox OS etc etc, there's just too many systems. Much like we saw in the personal computer boom in the 80's, there will be a plethora of different mobile OSes as companies latch on to a completely new platform. Some will die a premature death, some will be stillborn, and some will live on for another 20 years. Whilst I cannot see Apple or Google's mobile offering fading out in 10 years, I doubt i'll be saying the same about Tizen.

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RE: Aaaand no-one cares
by unclefester on Thu 17th Apr 2014 08:02 in reply to "Aaaand no-one cares"
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2007-01-13

Samsung needs an alternative OS to Android as a Plan B. They cannot risk being totally reliant on Google.

Samsung is a highly diversified mega conglomerate that can afford to spend tens of billions of dollars to create and market a new phone OS.

I'm pretty sure Samsung wants to develop a strong brand loyalty to Samsung rather than Android.

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RE[2]: Aaaand no-one cares
by swift11 on Thu 17th Apr 2014 08:42 in reply to "RE: Aaaand no-one cares"
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2012-08-23

yep but Tizen is financed by the Tizen Association, a drop in the ocean for these guys and it's part of their Linux R&D budget anyway.

I don't like Google's spyware aka Android, I prefer a Linux Foundation OS which is a good combo of web apps and Linux apps imo.

Edited 2014-04-17 09:01 UTC

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RE[2]: Aaaand no-one cares
by somebody on Thu 17th Apr 2014 11:11 in reply to "RE: Aaaand no-one cares"
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2005-07-07

Samsung needs an alternative OS to Android as a Plan B. They cannot risk being totally reliant on Google.


if i'd have to guess, android was actually their plan B that proved as more successful than plan A while still retaining B marker. samsung would've definitely preferred os that they have a say in how it evolves. now, if you look at linux of that time, no way it could fit into mobile world.

going with custom os... too expensive

going with tizen now... completely different story. but, unlike story wants to point it out, it is not date related or "we will ship it" related. it is a waiting game where all parties simply wait for all legos to fit. systemd, wayland, kdbus are simply must have before shipping it unless plan involved gun/bullet/my foot/pain points. well, kdbus is not really necessary since there is binder already there, but it would sure be damn nice to have one ipc for all

i know that if i'd be manufacturing phones only logical step would be waiting for tizen 3.0, since it includes whole lot of necessary lego parts. as most important fact 2.x is still x11 and that is one thing you wouldn't want on phone. 3.0 is wayland and as such much more lightweight

Edited 2014-04-17 11:15 UTC

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RE: Aaaand no-one cares
by somebody on Thu 17th Apr 2014 10:03 in reply to "Aaaand no-one cares"
somebody Member since:
2005-07-07

No-one cares. Why? Because the market it already saturated with competing smartphone OSes. From the big 3 systems (iOS, Android, WP8.x) to the smaller players such as BB10, Sailfish OS, Firefox OS etc etc, there's just too many systems. Much like we saw in the personal computer boom in the 80's, there will be a plethora of different mobile OSes as companies latch on to a completely new platform. Some will die a premature death, some will be stillborn, and some will live on for another 20 years. Whilst I cannot see Apple or Google's mobile offering fading out in 10 years, I doubt i'll be saying the same about Tizen.


i for one care and reason why is really simple. tizen is pure linux, using same technologies as modern linux distros will. android simply deviates too far from it. and don't mistake this as me saying it is bad what they did. in the time they did it, they had 0 choice. putting x11 instead of creating surfaceflinger on phone would be disaster, not creating binder would be same. that probably goes for most things where they deviated from ordinary tech of the time. only problem is that all that is completely restricted to what android needs and how android needs

if i'd choose phone today, i'd go for wp probably even though i don't like or use windows. same app everywhere is simply beneficial in too many ways. but, since i can wait i'll opt for tizen

when i look at tizen, i simply see too many possibilities what can one do with phone. i really hope i could finally get to year 2000 where i simply connect my phone to wi-fi, log into remote session from computer and do some work (with normal apps). tizen and support for multiseat might just enable me to do that. and running android apps on tizen was never a problem so that also takes care about "yeah, but does it have...?"

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RE[2]: Aaaand no-one cares
by krreagan on Thu 17th Apr 2014 17:45 in reply to "RE: Aaaand no-one cares"
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2008-04-08

tizen is pure linux, using same technologies as modern linux distros will. android simply deviates too far from it.

And you think Tizen/Samsung will be will be any different then Android/Google?? Samsung will advertise it as open then if it gets any traction it will be locked down even tighter than Android! Samsung has no love of OSS. At least Google acts like they GAS even if in reality they don't!

Samsung is aiming for an ecosystem the likes of iOS. The problem is that they don't have the following to drive a closed ecosystem.

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RE: Aaaand no-one cares
by 01Michael10 on Thu 17th Apr 2014 16:38 in reply to "Aaaand no-one cares"
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2013-05-07

No-one cares. Why? Because the market it already saturated with competing smartphone OSes. From the big 3 systems (iOS, Android, WP8.x) to the smaller players such as BB10, Sailfish OS, Firefox OS etc etc, there's just too many systems. Much like we saw in the personal computer boom in the 80's, there will be a plethora of different mobile OSes as companies latch on to a completely new platform. Some will die a premature death, some will be stillborn, and some will live on for another 20 years...


I kinda disagree with you and think the mobile and home PC markets are about in the same situation as far as OS platforms. On the PC side, we have the established Windows and OS X with the niche Linux. In the mobile arena, we have Android and iOS established with the niche Windows Phone. Both have a bunch of other OSs that just exist...

The difference that I see that really bugs me? On my PC, I can install almost any OS on it with little problem while on my Nexus 5 I can pretty much just install variations of the Android OS right down. Most phones are limited to just one OS. THIS is where the mobile market needs to mature but I have my doubts the situation will change much as phones are proprietary hardware based...

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RE[2]: Aaaand no-one cares
by The123king on Thu 17th Apr 2014 17:08 in reply to "RE: Aaaand no-one cares"
The123king Member since:
2009-05-28

And in the 80's, most computers were restricted to one OS. Try booting MS-DOS on a Tandy TRS-80, or Commodore BASIC on an IBM PC/AT, etc etc. I

have great expectations for Google's Project Ara, giving us PC-esque intercompatability and modularity. Most importantly, if it becomes a de-facto standard, many other OS vendors, hardware makers etc will target the Ara platform.

As it is at the moment, the mobile device market is still very much in it's infancy. Time will eventually create a standard, and time will eventually weed out most OS competitors, we're just not that far along yet. Give it 6 years.

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