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Apple doesn't want me as a customer
by Priest on Wed 23rd Apr 2014 00:24 UTC
Priest
Member since:
2006-05-12

I'm one of "those people" who still uses a ~1400 "gaming" tower: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3wHuh which really just means midrange PC.

Apple still doesn't sell a product meant to compete in that segment because presumably they don't want me or people like me as customers.

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stabbyjones Member since:
2008-04-15

so?

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Priest Member since:
2006-05-12

I don't just mean custom/upgradable machines, I mean the only comparable systems they sell are Mac Pro Xeon, ECC memory, Dual FirePro GPU etc. aimed at the professional space rather than the power user.

The other headless machines they sell are the Mac Mini and there is really no product in between.

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d3vi1 Member since:
2006-01-28

Apple still doesn't sell a product meant to compete in that segment because presumably they don't want me or people like me as customers.

You are right. Apple chose to go after other customers. Most customers want:
1) Energy efficient. it's not only measured by the rating of the PSU, it's also measured by 80W for a Mac Mini vs. 300-600W for a system like yours
2) Environmentally friendly. Your system probably contains 20 times more metal, than a Mac.
3) A quiet system.
4) A system with only two cables (power and display), or even one in case of the iMac.

Those customers won't even upgrade the RAM or hard-drive as it's beyond their skill and interest set.

Furthermore, Apple also makes sure that there are finite number of system configurations that they have to support in the OS.

It's the same with cards. Some cars are made to be tinkered with, while others will void your warranty. It depends what you are looking for. You can't make a system the size of the Mac Mini, Mac Pro or MacBook Air and still have it upgrade-able. Just by using SO-DIMMS in a MacBook Air you would loose about 1/3 of the battery (and battery life) or add 1/3rd extra thickness to the base of the laptop.

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REM2000 Member since:
2006-07-25

exactly i think apple realised earlier on that there isn't much to be gained from upgrades and would rather focus on smaller desktop footprint and less complexity.

The chief things people upgrade now are usually RAM and HDD, the HDD can be done through USB3/Thunderbolt or via a NAS/Server.

Although i will admit that i would love to upgrade or replace the hdd in my 2011 iMac with an SSD as the mechanical drive is pretty much the only thing holding it back.

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Priest Member since:
2006-05-12

It doesn't have to be a custom system, just a headless system more powerful than Mac Mini. It wouldn't need to draw any more power than a Mac Pro that contains 2 AMD FirePro's.

If they offered a version of the Mac Pro that swapped out the Xeon, ECC RAM, and FirePro for i7, non-ECC RAM, and Radeon or GeForce GPU it would outsell other Mac Pro's by a lot.

It's not that they can't do it, Apple is deliberately staying away from building a product that would more strongly compete with high end PC's and most workstations. The reasons why they are avoiding doing this are up for debate but its not for any of the reasons I saw in the thread so far.

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Ultimatebadass Member since:
2006-01-08

Just hackintosh that thing. Looking at your components it should be a breeze (as in all things working ootb).

Edited 2014-04-23 08:03 UTC

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mutantsushi Member since:
2006-08-18

Which if you're all about custom built rigs should be just up your alley... right?

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