Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 23rd May 2014 18:28 UTC
Internet & Networking

Historians of technology often cite Bush's essay as the conceptual forerunner of the Web. And hypertext pioneers like Douglas Engelbart, Ted Nelson, and Tim Berners-Lee have all acknowledged their debt to Bush’s vision. But for all his lasting influence, Bush was not the first person to imagine something like the Web.

This actually reminds me a lot of how contemporary technology media look at smartphones and such. They often have little to no experience with the breadth of mobile technology that came before the iPhone and Android, and as a consequence, they treat everything as new, revolutionary, and 'owned' - even though virtually everything has been taken from somewhere else.

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Ted Nelson
by thulfram on Fri 23rd May 2014 21:27 UTC
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He did a lot of cool things back in the 70's. His self-published book, Computer Lib, was really inspirational for those of us building computers, back in the day when Bill Gates was writing letters to people telling them not to rip off his punched-paper-tape versions of BASIC.

I met him a few times but he seems to have vanished into some kind of misty world. Maybe he'll come back and do something else cool. But he was a real pioneer!

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RE: Ted Nelson
by Nth_Man on Fri 23rd May 2014 23:08 in reply to "Ted Nelson"
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2010-05-16

when Bill Gates was writing letters to people telling them not to rip off his punched-paper-tape versions of BASIC.

After ripping off what he could from the trash cans of other programmers :-)
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/06/29/bill_gates_roots/

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RE[2]: Ted Nelson
by Nth_Man on Fri 23rd May 2014 23:54 in reply to "RE: Ted Nelson"
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"I went to the garbage cans at the Computer Science Center and I fished out listings of their operating system."
-- Bill Gates

http://programmersatwork.wordpress.com/bill-gates-1986/
Suzanne Lammers, "Programmers at Work: Interviews With 19 Programmers Who Shaped the Computer Industry", Harper and Row, ISBN 0-914-84571-3

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngreathouse/2012/06/05/business-tips...

https://www.google.com/search?q="Bill+Gates"+"I+went+to+the+garba...

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RE[2]: Ted Nelson
by jockm on Sat 24th May 2014 05:24 in reply to "RE: Ted Nelson"
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2012-12-22

"when Bill Gates was writing letters to people telling them not to rip off his punched-paper-tape versions of BASIC.

After ripping off what he could from the trash cans of other programmers :-)
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/06/29/bill_gates_roots/
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Hold on now, there is a big difference between saying that someone studied source of interesting systems (as all good programmers should do), and saying he stole code and used it in his products.

The register snarkily implies it, but they don't present a single shred of evidence. Because getting a few well placed kicks in is far more important than the truth...

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RE[2]: Ted Nelson
by jockm on Mon 26th May 2014 22:14 in reply to "RE: Ted Nelson"
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2012-12-22

"when Bill Gates was writing letters to people telling them not to rip off his punched-paper-tape versions of BASIC.

After ripping off what he could from the trash cans of other programmers :-)
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/06/29/bill_gates_roots/
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There is an important point I don't think I made well enough elsewhere: Taking something that has been thrown away is not stealing or "ripping off" or anything of the like.

In the US the case law is quite clear, unless the trash is kept securely such that the garbage can only be accessed by waste managment: anyone with access to it can take it.

You are free to a last word, I just wanted to make sure that point was made...

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