Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 23rd May 2014 18:28 UTC
Internet & Networking

Historians of technology often cite Bush's essay as the conceptual forerunner of the Web. And hypertext pioneers like Douglas Engelbart, Ted Nelson, and Tim Berners-Lee have all acknowledged their debt to Bush’s vision. But for all his lasting influence, Bush was not the first person to imagine something like the Web.

This actually reminds me a lot of how contemporary technology media look at smartphones and such. They often have little to no experience with the breadth of mobile technology that came before the iPhone and Android, and as a consequence, they treat everything as new, revolutionary, and 'owned' - even though virtually everything has been taken from somewhere else.

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RE[3]: Ted Nelson
by Nth_Man on Sat 24th May 2014 06:48 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Ted Nelson"
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he stole code [...] The register snarkily implies it, but they don't present a single shred of evidence. Because getting a few well placed kicks in [...]

To avoid confusions, in that case there are better words than "stole", because stealing an item from someone brings the idea that the victim does not longer have the item, but the thief does. Hours ago, in I already added some words of Bill Gates saying he fished out the code from other people, and that he sees it as a good thing, but the software that he published later could not be studied-improved-distributed by people because it was proprietary - closed source software, which was the point that it was about.

Edited 2014-05-24 07:06 UTC

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RE[4]: Ted Nelson
by Nth_Man on Sun 25th May 2014 08:26 in reply to "RE[3]: Ted Nelson"
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Let's hear more of his own words about this subject... :-O

“Well, Steve, I think there’s more than one way of looking at it. I think it’s more like we both had this rich neighbor named Xerox, and I broke into his house to steal the TV set and found out that you had already stolen it.”
-- Bill Gates, Mac Week, March 14, 1989

Edited 2014-05-25 08:32 UTC

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RE[5]: Ted Nelson
by jockm on Sun 25th May 2014 15:02 in reply to "RE[4]: Ted Nelson"
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And what is your point with that? That is about "stealing" ideas. Which happened the moment one cave man put one rock on top of another and a different caveman thought "hey I could do that better/faster/cheaper"

Copying ideas is how culture works. Indeed, that is why even though we may have effectively perpetual copyright, the term of patents remains fixed. Yes there are other problems with the patent system, that isn't my point.

But you seem to be saying that because Bill Gates got to look at the source to some programs, he should have released his software for free? I don't track that logic, unless you believe that all software should be Free/Open. However, you don't state that viewpoint so I don't know where you are coming from.

But even in the very early 70s there was commercial software. Some came with source, some didn't; but you did have to pay for them. The microcomputer market didn't exist. You had a bunch of guys making their own hardware and sharing what they knew. But sooner or later that market was going to mature into something like the mini computer/mainframe markets (which they did).

And that is why IMSAI made their computer (well that and a desperate attempt not to go bankrupt), Why Steve Jobs had the idea to sell the Apple I for $666.66, and why the nascent microsoft wanted to charge for their work too.

But its also worth pointing out that IMSAI Stole/Borrowed ideas (in the Xerox Machine quote sense), as did Apple, Microsoft, etc. As I should point out did the creators of Tiny Basic. Because, the Xerox Machine quote is about something different than your point about gates reading software listings that others had thrown out.

My initial comment was directed at the Register piece which was badly written, made claims it couldn't support, and was a horrible piece of "journalism" but it is the Register we are talking about so it is par for the course.

So please, help me understand, what is the point you are trying to make, because I really don't understand what you are saying.

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