Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 23rd May 2014 18:28 UTC
Internet & Networking

Historians of technology often cite Bush's essay as the conceptual forerunner of the Web. And hypertext pioneers like Douglas Engelbart, Ted Nelson, and Tim Berners-Lee have all acknowledged their debt to Bush’s vision. But for all his lasting influence, Bush was not the first person to imagine something like the Web.

This actually reminds me a lot of how contemporary technology media look at smartphones and such. They often have little to no experience with the breadth of mobile technology that came before the iPhone and Android, and as a consequence, they treat everything as new, revolutionary, and 'owned' - even though virtually everything has been taken from somewhere else.

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RE[6]: Ted Nelson
by Nth_Man on Sun 25th May 2014 17:01 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Ted Nelson"
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Basically what I posted in http://www.osnews.com/permalink?589484 , that there is people who, if they find it possible and profitable: will look in your garbage to fish out your listings (in their own words), but they will hide their listings from people; and (additionally) will break into your house to steal your TV set (in their own words). If they find it possible and profitable :-(

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RE[7]: Ted Nelson
by jockm on Sun 25th May 2014 17:58 in reply to "RE[6]: Ted Nelson"
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Basically what I posted in http://www.osnews.com/permalink?589484 , that there is people who, if they find it possible and profitable: will look in your garbage to fish out your listings (in their own words), but they will hide their listings from people; and (additionally) will break into your house to steal your TV set (in their own words). If they find it possible and profitable :-(


You get he was talking about borrowing ideas, right? You get that borrowing, copying, improving, and/or making ideas more accessible is how our literature, culture, and technology improve.

Gates didn't steal anything. Once you throw something pysical out and don't restrict access to your garbage it isn't yours anymore. Case law is well established on that. I am sure Gates also read source to programs that available to others.

One of my treasured objects a hand xeroxed copy of the Lion's commentary and source to Unix V6 — http://books.google.com/books/about/Lions_Commentary_on_UNIX_6th_Ed... — well before the book could be legitimately published. Does this mean I should release the source to everything I have written since I read it? I have also read the source to TeX and Metafont, Minix, and countless other programs.

As I should mention has any other engineer worthy of that epithet, and I still advise new programmers to read every bit of source they can get their hands on.

But what I don't see is how that obligates anyone to share the source to everything they write, which is what you seem to be saying. Unless you feel all source should be Open/Free/Libre/etc; which isn't a position I support.

I have written and contributed to FLOSS projects, and I make closed products that are closed and sold. I don't see a conflict. I don't believe there is a conflict.

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RE[8]: Ted Nelson
by Nth_Man on Sun 25th May 2014 19:26 in reply to "RE[7]: Ted Nelson"
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2010-05-16

And we're now there again. It looks like there is a misunderstanding. This way this thread will never end, it has arrived to its sixth nested level, and that's when I stop reading and writing in it. Good bye.

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