Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 3rd Jun 2014 12:25 UTC
Mac OS X

Close, minimize, and maximize are now close, minimize, and full screen, eliminating the extra full-screen control and consolidating the window controls in one place. Streamlining these and other elements of the interface means you can navigate the desktop more efficiently.

OS X' idea of "maximise" was "some random window resizing nobody really used anyway", so I'm glad Apple finally replaced it with something else. Too bad OS X' fullscreen view is way too disruptive for my tastes to be of any practical use.

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RE: Spectacle
by Morgan on Tue 3rd Jun 2014 13:11 UTC in reply to "Spectacle"
Morgan
Member since:
2005-06-29

Except it's not "broken maximise", it's zoom. It's an entirely different concept on an entirely different OS. As you said, you came from Windows, where all you've ever known is "min, max, exit". On the Mac, it's "close window without exiting the program, minimize to the dock, zoom to show the window contents", each of which is alien to Windows.

In other words, just because it's different and uncomfortable for you doesn't mean it's broken for everyone.

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RE[2]: Spectacle
by mmrezaie on Tue 3rd Jun 2014 13:17 in reply to "RE: Spectacle"
mmrezaie Member since:
2006-05-09

Actually I was using it until I found spectacle, and spectacle is like what we had in kde ages ago. Somehow they are caving back on the philosophy they had, and only caring about ugly metallic colors. There is nothing innovative in Mac OS anymore, or I am totally just bitching!!!

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RE[2]: Spectacle
by wojtek on Tue 3rd Jun 2014 13:24 in reply to "RE: Spectacle"
wojtek Member since:
2010-01-24

Right; I completely fail to see any usefulness in those - only common thing is minimise so I'll leave it out:
- maximize/zoom - i'm a bit of control freak so I want windows to be in place where I put it, stick to that place - I dread desktop with about 5 windows that are 'zoomed' and scattered across it - I can't have access to all of them as they overlap so this sucks; when I maximize window under windows window takes whole screen (leaving controls) and sticks to that position - not with osx apps, which even zoomed to whole screen are movable (there was spotify on windows which had same issue and it didn't stick on my hard drive long); I want multiple windows at once? shure - but they either have to stick to each other or take 1/2, 1/3, 1/4 of the space and always be at correct/expectable location (spectacle helps with the latter, I'm still struggling to find sticky-windows replacement) - I still have access to all apps and they don't overlap making them miserably useless;
- closing window - it was confusing at first but I got hold of it (using cmd+q quite a lot); what's the point of keeping and app in the background without any purpose... I stop working with document I close it and don't need word processor sitting in the background taking memory because-of-the-reason (yes, automatic memory management is retarded as well). And this also bite-me-in-the-arse with firefox and restoring closed tabs as, hooray, closing the window closed the window - not the browser, so after clicking on the dock I didn't have previous session but rather empty window as firefox didn't restart - merely opened new window... argh!)

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RE[3]: Spectacle
by Morgan on Tue 3rd Jun 2014 13:55 in reply to "RE[2]: Spectacle"
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

I completely fail to see any usefulness in those


Which is fine by all means. I fail to see the usefulness in strict tiling window managers with no window controls whatsoever, but there are some users out there who do everything with a keyboard, and I'm sure it's a boon for them. However, I'm not going to call their system "broken" just because it fails to meet my own needs. They didn't write it for me, they wrote it for the people who do find it useful. That's my issue with your take on this: Because it doesn't fit your strict requirements, you call it "broken" for everyone.

i'm a bit of control freak


Exactly.

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RE[2]: Spectacle
by ilovebeer on Tue 3rd Jun 2014 16:46 in reply to "RE: Spectacle"
ilovebeer Member since:
2011-08-08

Except it's not "broken maximise", it's zoom. It's an entirely different concept on an entirely different OS. As you said, you came from Windows, where all you've ever known is "min, max, exit". On the Mac, it's "close window without exiting the program, minimize to the dock, zoom to show the window contents", each of which is alien to Windows.

Minimize-to-tray performs "Close window without exiting the program". Minimize performs "minimize to the dock". Zoom/Auto-fit performs "zoom". The first two are provided by stock Windows, zoom is a selectable feature present in most software where it makes sense to have it. This has been the case for ages. So no, this stuff is not "alien to Windows". It's old news.

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RE[2]: Spectacle
by WorknMan on Tue 3rd Jun 2014 18:21 in reply to "RE: Spectacle"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

In other words, just because it's different and uncomfortable for you doesn't mean it's broken for everyone.


Which is why it SHOULD be optional, so people can set it however they want. (And preferably, on a per-application level.) But Apple has never really been about giving people options. It's either their way or the highway.

Edited 2014-06-03 18:23 UTC

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RE[3]: Spectacle
by jared_wilkes on Tue 3rd Jun 2014 20:11 in reply to "RE[2]: Spectacle"
jared_wilkes Member since:
2011-04-25

You can option-click the green button (old behavior to get Maximize) and double-click the window title bar to Zoom.

I wouldn't be surprised if they provide a preference for the behavior, if there is a Terminal switch to reverse the behavior, or if any number of utilities to modify various system tweaks will not immediately be available.

But I'm sure you installed the beta yesterday and tested it out and were aware that the optional behavior is still there, even in a product that will not be finished for 2-4 months.

Edited 2014-06-03 20:27 UTC

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RE[3]: Spectacle
by Morgan on Wed 4th Jun 2014 11:35 in reply to "RE[2]: Spectacle"
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

I don't disagree, it should be optional. But by that token, the Windows maximize button should optionally allow for zooming, right?

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