Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 24th Jun 2014 22:06 UTC
Linux

In the latest contest, not only did Linux dominate, but Linux showed that is slowly pushing out all its competitors. In the June 2014 Top 500 supercomputer list, the top open-source operating system set a new high with 485 systems out of the fastest 500 running Linux. In other words 97 percent of the fastest computers in the world are based on Linux.

With numbers like this, it's easy to forget that this project started with the words "just a hobby, won't be big and professional like gnu".

This hobby now dominates almost every field of computing - from mobile to supercomputing.

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RE[8]: Congrats!
by ilovebeer on Sat 28th Jun 2014 02:38 UTC in reply to "RE[7]: Congrats!"
ilovebeer
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2011-08-08

Steam selected Linux as the basis of a new, multi-vendor line of premium gaming systems (you remember, $499 to $2500ish?) that launches next year - I think you've finally conceded that, right?

There's nothing to concede. Valve choosing Linux as the base for SteamOS was never in question. It's the claim that Linux is a premium gaming platform that's silly. Remember, we're talking about Linux here - not hardware. It doesn't matter what hardware Linux is running on, Linux itself is absolutely not a premium gaming platform. The market, the Linux devs, and the game makers are all in agreement with that. Linux, via SteamOS, has an incredibly difficult mountain to climb before it will ever be remotely close to a premium gaming platform.

You're now asserting that by using that action as an example that Linux "hasn't dominated all [product categories of real-time] quite yet", then I must therefore "agree with that action"?

Let's cut right to the chase... Do you agree or disagree with Valve that Linux is a "premium gaming platform". If you agree, please provide supporting evidence that demonstrates how Linux has earned & justified such a title.

Linux is great at certain things but being a great platform for gaming is not one of them. Not by a long shot.

Well, while I can't follow your logic, I do in fact think that Steam's decision to base the upcoming Steam Machines on a Linux-based OS was a good move in the long run, and the support they've received from multiple vendors and the extensive press coverage thus far seems to support that - IMHO, of course.

If SteamOS ever becomes a success, then I may agree that it was a good move in the long run. But so far the Linux gaming track record is less than stellar to be polite. All the press coverage, press releases, and PR amounts to nothing unless something tangible follows. We'll see.

As to whether Linux can gain a significant portion of the premium gaming market, I am as always content to let the market decide. It's been very kind to my favorite kernel this past decade. :-)

Linux isn't new, it has a track record in this area. I expect Linux will take gaming by storm the same way it has taken the desktop by storm. In other words, based on everything I've experienced thus far, I'm not holding my breath.


Have yourself a great weekend!

Thanks and you as well!

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RE[9]: Congrats!
by ricegf on Sat 28th Jun 2014 03:35 in reply to "RE[8]: Congrats!"
ricegf Member since:
2007-04-25

Let's cut right to the chase... Do you agree or disagree with Valve that Linux is a "premium gaming platform". If you agree, please provide supporting evidence that demonstrates how Linux has earned & justified such a title.


Using the dictionary definition of "premium" that I quoted earlier - "at a value or price higher than normal" - and the price points that we've agreed they are targeting, then of course I do.

I've given the justification repeatedly - the systems that Valve is targeting are significantly higher priced than normal, where normal is an Xbox One or PS4. Hence, "premium".

I'm not sure that building higher priced, higher quality systems is something you "earn" - it's just the market you target. Which is why I used the word "target". See?

I can't help but feel you're trying to define "premium" in terms of market share, as you keep coming around to the words "dominate" and "propaganda" and "earn". But that can't be a valid definition. Is Android the premium platform, and iOS the pedestrian? The Camry a premium platform, and BMW the pedestrian? In both cases, it's quite the opposite - not market share, but price and perceived (or at least advertised) value.

Or maybe you're trying to argue Linux as a gaming platform in isolation from the other components of a system? But that makes no sense, either. What games can you play on a pure kernel, without any hardware, graphics libraries, controllers, etc.? Besides, I specified Steam's gaming platform, not generic Linux.

Maybe you can tell me what market you think Steam is targeting with Linux, if not premium gaming?

But I doubt we'll bridge the understanding gap here. It was a pretty simple example (one of several) where Linux doesn't yet dominate a real-time type of market, but has an identified path toward potentially gaining some market share momentum. Not sure why that set you off. *shrugs*

Thanks for the interesting-if-sometimes-frustrating discussion. :-)

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RE[10]: Congrats!
by ilovebeer on Sun 29th Jun 2014 07:50 in reply to "RE[9]: Congrats!"
ilovebeer Member since:
2011-08-08

I'm not sure why you're back to talking about hardware. Linux is not hardware. When you describe Linux as a "premium gaming platform", you are talking about Linux, not the hardware with which Linux is running on. You are describing the kernel and its subsystems -- the software itself. That is what Linux consists of. Again, Linux is not and does not describe hardware.

If I say `Windows is a premium gaming platform`, do you think I'm describing Windows itself, or the sum of all the components that the computer running Windows consists of?

So, the issue is not redefining meanings of words (which nobody is doing), or confusion about what words mean (which nobody is), etc. The root here seems to be you originally referred to X but were actually trying to describe Y.

It's pointless to go in circles over this so I recommend we let the numbers decide what Linux is to the gaming world. We all know Windows absolutely dominates gaming, while Linux is hardly on the map (if you can even say it is at all). Linux-based SteamOS has no showing what-so-ever at this point. Further, there's no reason to believe Linux gaming (in any form) will ever become anything significant, much less actually dominate gaming. Saying Linux doesn't quite yet dominate gaming is like say the teenager working the McDonalds drive-thru isn't quite yet a millionaire.

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