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Russell Ivanovic comparing his experiences at WWDC and Google I/O. For instance, the differences between Apple and Google developer representatives.

Perhaps it's just the ones I've met at Apple, but I've never had this experience before. Our developer rep is a nice guy, but he's not the least bit technical, and in general I could only talk to him when he contacts me. I say 'could' because ever since we've had success on the Android platform he's made it very clear that his services are no longer available to us. Perhaps that makes me bitter and jaded about the Developer Rep experience at Apple, but if you ask me it's justified.

Seems to be in line with how Apple handles the press. A long, long time ago, Apple loaned me one of the first Intel MacBook Pros. Those models got notoriously hot to the touch under heavy use. I dared to mention in my review that the device would sometimes get uncomfortably warm. Let me just say that it did not exactly go down well with Apple.

Moving on, it's not just the companies' employees that have differing attitudes.

One of the first things that struck me was the contrast between the kind of people that attend I/O vs those at WWDC. Granted in both cases I didn't meet all 5000 attendees, so there's nothing scientific about what follows. That said everyone I met at I/O was open-minded and tended to work on more than one platform. As such it wasn't the least bit strange when someone pulled out their iPhone to check something on it. The majority of phones there seemed to be Androids, with the Nexus 5 making up the lions share of the devices I saw. What I'm getting at, and let me put it bluntly if I may, is that it highlighted just how insular and superior a lot of Apple developers act and feel. If you don't believe me, just join a group of them at WWDC and whip out your Android phone. Within moments, you'll wish you had whipped out something less offensive, like your genitalia instead.

Apple's employees seem "overly obsessed with Google", he notes, which shouldn't be a surprise considering the amount of time Tim Cook spends bashing Android during a keynote - often with facts of questionable value. This kind of stuff trickles down to lower employees, too, of course.

In any case, this doesn't exactly seem like a great way to treat developers. I wonder if this will ever come back to bite Apple in the butt.

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ah yes...
by hobgoblin on Tue 1st Jul 2014 23:29 UTC
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Reminds me of the first Apple users i have the "pleasure" of interacting with.

Was over IRC, and he was supposed to send me a zip archive.

At the time he was using OS9 or something, and so the file didn't have a .zip ending. Didn't go over well with my IRC client, as it was set to block transfers of all but a specific set of file types.

Ended up with a long spiel about how Apple's resource fork approach was the superior way of doing things.

Anyways. One thing i liked about the latest Google IO, was Google's willingness to attempt to boot up Project Ara on cam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cV8JDSO1NS...

Complete with a jumper on a wire for power button, and a slider on a wire for what i think is backlight control.

No way this would get past Apple's marketing/image watchdogs.

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RE: ah yes...
by leos on Wed 2nd Jul 2014 03:10 in reply to "ah yes..."
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2005-09-21


Anyways. One thing i liked about the latest Google IO, was Google's willingness to attempt to boot up Project Ara on cam.

No way this would get past Apple's marketing/image watchdogs.


You're right. Project Ara is a terrible idea that doesn't actually work. But sure, kudos to Google for demoing a product that will never work by showing, quite appropriately, a non-working device.

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RE[2]: ah yes...
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 2nd Jul 2014 10:20 in reply to "RE: ah yes..."
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2005-06-29

You're right. Project Ara is a terrible idea that doesn't actually work. But sure, kudos to Google for demoing a product that will never work by showing, quite appropriately, a non-working device.


We'll see.

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RE[2]: ah yes...
by hobgoblin on Wed 2nd Jul 2014 16:43 in reply to "RE: ah yes..."
hobgoblin Member since:
2005-07-06

It was more about the difference in attitude and willingness to have something fail in public than the technical aspects of what they were showing off.

During the same session they where demoing their latest Tango device, and had to go through multiple cables, tablet, and TVs, to get the demo working properly.

There is a certain air of geeky playfulness over it all.

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RE: ah yes...
by Troels on Wed 2nd Jul 2014 08:12 in reply to "ah yes..."
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2005-07-11

Ended up with a long spiel about how Apple's resource fork approach was the superior way of doing things.


Probably after you complained about the missing extension? :-)

About the OS9 time i actually felt this was the only pro Mac argument they actually had that made sense, basing file type recognition on an extension is primitive and fragile. I still regularly encouter web sites that serve broken content-disposition headers resulting in the browser saving a "download.php" or "file.asp" that you need to fix the extension before you can open it, which is especially annoying on a phone.

The world would be a slightly better place if there was a standard metadata format that worked on all file types. Of course if there was it would probably be something annoying to work with like XMP

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RE[2]: ah yes...
by hobgoblin on Wed 2nd Jul 2014 16:39 in reply to "RE: ah yes..."
hobgoblin Member since:
2005-07-06

Complained? Nothing of the sort. Best i recall i simply explained why the connection was refused and got a lecture in return.

As for meta-data, there is always mime codes.

Edited 2014-07-02 16:40 UTC

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