Linked by jessesmith on Wed 5th Nov 2014 10:39 UTC
Linux Over the past year I've been reading a lot of opinions on the new init technology, systemd. Some people think systemd is wonderful, the bee's knees. Others claim that systemd is broken by design. Some see systemd as a unifying force, a way to unite the majority of the Linux distributions. Others see systemd as a growing blob that is slowly becoming an overly large portion of the operating system. One thing that has surprised me a little is just how much people care about systemd, whether their opinion of the technology is good or bad. People in favour faithfully (and sometimes falsely) make wonderful claims about what systemd is and what it can supposedly do. Opponents claim systemd will divide the Linux community and drive many technical users to other operating systems. There is a lot of hype and surprisingly few people presenting facts.
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RE: It isn't about choice
by jessesmith on Wed 5th Nov 2014 22:54 UTC in reply to "It isn't about choice"
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>> "The author of this article forgot that before systemd, we never had a choice anyway. And that was never a problem. Nobody complained."

Why would they complain, they had a working init system? People aren't complaining because they want addition options, they are complaining about their previous option being taken away. If you have vanilla ice cream and you like vanilla, of course you won't complain. If someone else says you can have vanilla and chocolate, again there is no reason to complain. But if someone comes along and takes away your vanilla option and says you must always eat chocolate now, of course people will get upset.

>> "most distros are right in making only one init system available because it deeply affects everything"

There in lies the problem. A good init system should not affect everything. Init software is supposed to bring up the system, reap zombie processes and (in some cases) manage services. That's it. Nothing about that should affect any other software packages if init is implemented correctly.

In fact, I would like to point out it is currently trivial to swap between SysV and systemd on a Debian installation. It takes two short command lines and the system works exactly the same with either one. Obviously init does not affect large portions of the operating system or that would not be possible.

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RE[2]: It isn't about choice
by vellon on Thu 6th Nov 2014 13:29 in reply to "RE: It isn't about choice"
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And after systemd, they will still have a working init system, so why complain?

Server admins may have to learn a few new things (which may be a reason for their resistance), but users will never see or care, unless it is in reduced startup and shutdown time.

It is more like a company changing the ingredients in vanilla. As long as it tastes the same....

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