Linked by jessesmith on Wed 5th Nov 2014 10:39 UTC
Linux Over the past year I've been reading a lot of opinions on the new init technology, systemd. Some people think systemd is wonderful, the bee's knees. Others claim that systemd is broken by design. Some see systemd as a unifying force, a way to unite the majority of the Linux distributions. Others see systemd as a growing blob that is slowly becoming an overly large portion of the operating system. One thing that has surprised me a little is just how much people care about systemd, whether their opinion of the technology is good or bad. People in favour faithfully (and sometimes falsely) make wonderful claims about what systemd is and what it can supposedly do. Opponents claim systemd will divide the Linux community and drive many technical users to other operating systems. There is a lot of hype and surprisingly few people presenting facts.
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RE[5]: A cople of comments.
by crystall on Fri 7th Nov 2014 13:46 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: A cople of comments."
crystall
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2007-02-06

Place the blame of RedHat for actually trying to be constructive is plain wrong.

RedHat is not being constructive for the sake of it, it's being productive for its own sake. They've got a product to sell and they need to improve it for their paying users. Users of other distributions (including RedHat-based free ones) are an afterthought. That's not something "bad"; it's how a commercial company is supposed to act if it's to make any profits and stay in business.

My comment was not directed at you personally, and you know it.

Let me quote you again:

Again, you fail to explain what stops the million of oppressed anti-systemd developers and users from forking the latest non-systemd distribution and going on, on their separate way?

That comment was an attack, it was straightly directed at me (unless "you" means something else) and asked me to explain something I had not even said. That's what I call childish.

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RE[6]: A cople of comments.
by gilboa on Sun 9th Nov 2014 08:47 in reply to "RE[5]: A cople of comments."
gilboa Member since:
2005-07-06

RedHat is not being constructive for the sake of it, it's being productive for its own sake. They've got a product to sell and they need to improve it for their paying users. Users of other distributions (including RedHat-based free ones) are an afterthought. That's not something "bad"; it's how a commercial company is supposed to act if it's to make any profits and stay in business.


So?
The OSS was founded by people and companies that had "an itch to scratch".
At least theoretically, the anti-systemd group has a massive itch to scratch, but thus far, they rather trade personal insults (hint) as opposed to actually doing anything constructive about it.

"Again, you fail to explain what stops the million of oppressed anti-systemd developers and users from forking the latest non-systemd distribution and going on, on their separate way?


That comment was an attack, it was straightly directed at me (unless "you" means something else) and asked me to explain something I had not even said. That's what I call childish.
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I never claimed or hinted that you are a part of said "oppressed anti-systemd developers and users", its for *you* to decide if you belong to said group, and the mere fact that you turned an honest question (one which you continuously refuse to answer) into a *perceived* personal insult and a reason to start trading personal insults, puts you square in the middle of this said group.

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RE[7]: A cople of comments.
by crystall on Sun 9th Nov 2014 21:39 in reply to "RE[6]: A cople of comments."
crystall Member since:
2007-02-06

I never claimed or hinted that you are a part of said "oppressed anti-systemd developers and users", its for *you* to decide if you belong to said group,

You're compeltely off way. You said that I failed to to explain what stops the million of oppressed anti-systemd developers and users from forking the latest non-systemd distribution. Except that I've never mentioned "oppressed anti-systemd developers" nor suggested that they should fork it. You just pulled that ridiculous term out of thin air.

and the mere fact that you turned an honest question (one which you continuously refuse to answer)

Why should I answer it? I never mentioned them nor brought up the idea of forking systemd.

into a *perceived* personal insult and a reason to start trading personal insults, puts you square in the middle of this said group.

Posting this from Fedora 20. I've been using Fedora as my main distribution since Fedora 8 thus I've been using systemd for a *long* while, even when it had some pretty rough edges.

You sir are a fanboy, and one so blinded by your fanboism that you didn't even bother to read my posts otherwise you'd know this already since I've already mentioned I had been using a systemd-based distro. Heck, in my first post I even explicitly said that systemd has its merits but that went way over your head.

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