Linked by David Adams on Tue 11th Nov 2014 17:39 UTC
Apple Over the weekend, Pangu released their iOS jailbreak for the Mac, which is the capstone on a weeks-long journey of incremental releases that brought the wonders of non-Apple-approved software to iDevice users bit by bit according to their level of tinkering devotion. Last week, after an aborted attempt, I managed to jailbreak my iPhone 5S, and though I'm still dealing with some of my favorite tweaks not having been updated to work with the new OS, I'm pretty happy with the update, and I can recommend it for most users. Read more, for the rest.
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Now what?
by wocowboy on Wed 12th Nov 2014 11:00 UTC
wocowboy
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2006-06-01

Congratulations to the author on performing a successful jailbreak on your iPhone 5S. By defeating nearly every security, malware, and antivirus prevention feature Apple built into your device, you have opened yourself up to the wonderful world of WireLurker that is going on in China should you ever visit there, and every other iOS threat that lurks in the dark corners of the internet. But you did this of your own free will, with the knowledge that anything can happen to your device now with or without your knowledge. By the same token, I do NOT want to read an article next week on OSNews as to how horrible Apple's security is in their devices, how horrible the latest malware threat is for Apple devices *(if they are jailbroken in teensy little print), or anything else regarding threats, operation problems or glitches that occur ONLY in iPhones that are behaving badly because they are not being used as intended by the manufacturer. You're on your own from now on. If that sounds harsh, so be it. When you use a device as it was intended to be used and there is a problem, fine, give Apple or anyone else hell, but if you tinker with it and change everything about it, I don't care and the company should not care what happens.

Edited 2014-11-12 11:02 UTC

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RE: Now what?
by aaronb on Wed 12th Nov 2014 12:15 in reply to "Now what?"
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2005-07-06

This website is for people who are interested in operating systems and other technology. Maybe something like http://www.cnet.com would be more suitable for you where you can simply use that technological stuff without further thought!

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RE: Now what?
by David on Wed 12th Nov 2014 16:24 in reply to "Now what?"
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iOS devices can get infected with Wirelurker whether they're jailbroken or not (and not easily). And ironically, if you are jailbroken, it's easy to see whether you've been infected (you just SSH in and look for a particular file). If you're not jailbroken, the instruction is to "Check whether there are any suspicious apps you did not install." Real helpful. I have so many random apps that they're all suspicious.

The thing preventing me from installing Malware while jailbroken is the same thing preventing me from getting Malware at all. I install apps using an app store (Cydia) that's run by a trustworthy person, and before I add a 3rd repository, I make sure it's legit. It's a lot harder to install sketchy software on jailbroken iOS than it is on Windows or Mac, so why aren't you scolding me for using Windows?

Don't worry, I won't be posting anything about "how horrible Apple's security is in their devices" unless Apple's security really is horrible. And it is sometimes, though not often. But I agree with you. If people disable security protections then install malware by accident, they deserve what they get.

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RE[2]: Now what?
by wocowboy on Thu 13th Nov 2014 09:17 in reply to "RE: Now what?"
wocowboy Member since:
2006-06-01

I disagree with your statement that it is a lot harder to install sketchy software via a 3rd party software site for jailbroken iPhones than via Apple's official app store. Maybe I'm way off base, but I trust the vetting of software that Apple does more than some site run by someone I've never heard of. Or Cydia.

I jailbroke my origial iPhone 1 and a couple of models after that one, so I am not unfamiliar with how the process works and with the risks, as well as what can happen, which includes software that was extremely buggy and which in some cases required fresh installs and jailbreaking the phone once again. I have never had to restore an iPhone from scratch because of something I downloaded from the iTunes App Store.

The jailbreaking experience was not all hearts and flowers by any means. The Springboard replacements for example did not always operate properly, some crashed incessantly, some of the theming software didn't work right, there were all sorts of problems, with all sorts of apps, on through successive versions of iOS and further generations of iPhones. I finally got to the point that I didn't want to bother trying to deal with the bugs and other problems related to jailbreaking my phones and running software that I knew nothing about. My iPhone/iOS experience since then has been pretty much stress-free. Others may have different experiences.

I don't care what Windows users do, like Mac users, they are free to install software from whatever sources they wish. Because of that freedom, which is completely unrelated to the walled/vetted garden that iOS has, those users are free to trash their computers any time they wish, as long as they understand the risks and take responsibility for the consequences instead of trashing Microsoft or Apple or Dell or Lenovo, etc, for making devices they claim were responsible for something they did to themselves.

That's the crux of my statement.

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RE: Now what?
by BallmerKnowsBest on Sat 15th Nov 2014 00:28 in reply to "Now what?"
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2008-06-02

Congratulations to the author on performing a successful jailbreak on your iPhone 5S. By defeating nearly every security, malware, and antivirus prevention feature Apple built into your device, you have opened yourself up to the wonderful world of WireLurker that is going on in China should you ever visit there, and every other iOS threat that lurks in the dark corners of the internet. But you did this of your own free will, with the knowledge that anything can happen to your device now with or without your knowledge. By the same token, I do NOT want to read an article next week on OSNews as to how horrible Apple's security is in their devices, how horrible the latest malware threat is for Apple devices *(if they are jailbroken in teensy little print), or anything else regarding threats, operation problems or glitches that occur ONLY in iPhones that are behaving badly because they are not being used as intended by the manufacturer. You're on your own from now on. If that sounds harsh, so be it. When you use a device as it was intended to be used and there is a problem, fine, give Apple or anyone else hell, but if you tinker with it and change everything about it, I don't care and the company should not care what happens.


You know, when I got to the end of the article and clicked the "comments" link, I honestly did consider posting a snarky comment along the lines of "Gee, I wonder how long it will take before one of the usual suspects comes along and goes on an 'OMG you terrible person, how DARE you work around the mechanisms that Apple has put in place FOR YOUR OWN GOOD?' fanboi rant." Then I thought to myself "no, that's a little too cynical, even iFanbois aren't THAT lame."...

I am still a bit disappointed, though - you completely forgot to accuse him of only jailbreaking in order to pirate paid applications.

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