Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 5th Dec 2014 11:13 UTC
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Mark Zuckerberg, on Apple's and its supporters' tired and overused "you're not the customer. You're the product" tripe.

"A frustration I have is that a lot of people increasingly seem to equate an advertising business model with somehow being out of alignment with your customers," Zuckerberg says. "I think it's the most ridiculous concept. What, you think because you're paying Apple that you're somehow in alignment with them? If you were in alignment with them, then they'd make their products a lot cheaper!"

That sound you hear is a nail being hit squarely on the head. If you as a consumer were not Apple's product, they would not be charging you margins of 40-50%. Add to this the fact that Apple also collects all kinds of information about its customers, and it becomes even more laughable.

Google, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft - they all see you as just one thing: walking bank accounts. That's it. Don't fool yourself into thinking you're anything more to them just to justify using their crap.

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Hardware vs. Software
by syngularyx on Fri 5th Dec 2014 13:56 UTC
syngularyx
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2012-02-01

I think you should still distinguish between those who make money on hardware and those who want you to sell a service.

Apple makes money (mostly) on hardware. Google, Microsoft, Facebook etc ... what do they sell? Software/services.

Who profits the most from your personal data? Apple? I don't think so.

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RE: Hardware vs. Software
by ilovebeer on Fri 5th Dec 2014 17:44 in reply to "Hardware vs. Software"
ilovebeer Member since:
2011-08-08

Apple is also in the business of selling advertising. It doesn't matter who makes more money doing it, your data is equally important to everyone in that area.

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RE[2]: Hardware vs. Software
by syngularyx on Tue 9th Dec 2014 11:42 in reply to "RE: Hardware vs. Software"
syngularyx Member since:
2012-02-01

I think it does matter, being the personal data a core business to both google and facebook but not to Apple.

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RE: Hardware vs. Software
by ricegf on Fri 5th Dec 2014 19:17 in reply to "Hardware vs. Software"
ricegf Member since:
2007-04-25

I think you should still distinguish between those who make money on hardware and those who want you to sell a service.


Why?

Every corporation - every single one - must generate income or die - from selling products and services, from advertising revenue, and / or from donations.

The mix of income a corporation chooses as its business model doesn't make it "good" or "bad". The ethics (or lack thereof) that it exercises in operating its business is the key discriminator.

I can sell quality hardware (good) or dangerous junk (bad). I can present relevant, respectful advertising (good) or abuse my customer's trust (bad). I can use donations efficiently for the purpose for which they were donated (good) or mislead my patrons (bad).

If you want to judge a company, start with its ethics in practice from the boardroom to the janitor. Everything else is just noise.

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RE[2]: Hardware vs. Software
by twitterfire on Mon 8th Dec 2014 12:02 in reply to "RE: Hardware vs. Software"
twitterfire Member since:
2008-09-11


If you want to judge a company, start with its ethics in practice from the boardroom to the janitor. Everything else is just noise.


Is there such a thing as a corporation with ethics?

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