Linked by Rayiner Hashem on Tue 15th Nov 2005 17:44 UTC
Apple I recently bought one of the new dual core PowerMacs. Having used the machine for a couple of weeks, I thought I would share some of my observations and feelings about it. First, let me get my biases out in the open. I have, for about four years, very happily used Linux on my desktop. Doing so has made me very comfortable with the UNIX environment in general, and with GNOME specifically. During that time, I have used OS X machines on a regular basis, so I am quite comfortable in that environment as well. Since I switched to Linux, I have not used Windows for anything more than the occasional bit of software testing or lab work, and generally feel quite uncomfortable with it. Thus, this article is very much written from the perspective of someone who finds OS X and Linux pleasing on principle. I implore the reader to make his own value judgments based on my comments.
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llanitedave
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2005-07-24

"I found Rayiner's tone for parts of the article almost whiny and very annoying. If he didn't like the internals of the PowerMac, then why did he spend the money on it?"

I disagree, both with the title, and with the comment above. He already told you why he spent the money, and he was detailing what he liked, and what he didn't like. That's the purpose of the piece.

"The noise issue is one that is no big deal for me, from time to time I have to go into the data center where there is plenty of noise. I think he makes too much of a big deal about the noise of the PowerMac. And there should be a difference between a machine he spent time and money on quieting and one "out of the box", DUH! Again, I am sure he had the opportunity to examine an operational machine before he spent his money. If he had a problem with noise it should have came up there (it would have for me). I have an Sun Enterprise 3000 at home and it sounds like a plane taking off, I got used to the noise."
You seem defensive. He's obviously not using it in a noisy data center. It's there for your information. If you don't like noise, it's an issue. If you don't mind, it's not.

"The comment about the "cheap" Western Digital drive, where the Hell did that come from? I checked PriceWatch and the Seagate drive he feels is "superior" is priced about the same as the Western Digital in the PowerMac. Obviously Rayiner is not aware of the history of Western Digital, or the quality of their products. Based on my experience I wouldn't call them "cheap", or better yet, ask anybody who uses a Raptor. "
Might be a good point there.

"The software part of the article, well I wouldn't use "pissed off" to describe anything in something that I would want published. That terminology is fine for conversation and blogging, not a "professional" piece. His comments about Matlab should not have been included if it "sucks on every platform", not just on the PowerMac, what's the point? "
He elaborated on that. I found his descriptions informative. That they were too informal for you is simply a matter of personal taste.

"During the time it has taken me to examine his article several people have commented positively about it, unfortunately I don't agree. Rayiner needs to learn brevity, what he says could have been said in fewer words."
And you had one decent criticism in five paragraphs. What's good for the goose...

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Robert Escue Member since:
2005-07-08

While you're at it, you might want to read my follow up posts so you get the "whole picture" including my response to Rayiner.

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null_pointer_us Member since:
2005-08-19

You have the most annoying habit of writing arguments that were effectively rebutted by the original article. Either RTFA or shut the heck up.

Let's look at a portion of your first post:

I found Rayiner's tone for parts of the article almost whiny and very annoying. If he didn't like the internals of the PowerMac, then why did he spend the money on it?

He already explained that very thoroughly. RTFA.

The noise issue is one that is no big deal for me, from time to time I have to go into the data center where there is plenty of noise.

He already said that you need to evaluate what's important to you; these were his impressions. RTFA.

I think he makes too much of a big deal about the noise of the PowerMac.

Your personal opinion again, nimrod. RTFA.

And there should be a difference between a machine he spent time and money on quieting and one "out of the box", DUH!

He already said that he had three P4 Dell machines in his apartment, and all of them were quieter than the PowerMac. RTFA.

Again, I am sure he had the opportunity to examine an operational machine before he spent his money. If he had a problem with noise it should have came up there (it would have for me).

What if he ordered online? Must everyone go into an Apple store to verify conventional wisdom (e.g. Macs are mroe quiet)? The article is about his experiences. RTFA.

I have an Sun Enterprise 3000 at home and it sounds like a plane taking off, I got used to the noise.

Again, that's your experience. If you want to write an article about it, fine. But as Rayiner said, more and more people are becoming aware of this problem. RTFA.

The comment about the "cheap" Western Digital drive, where the Hell did that come from? I checked PriceWatch and the Seagate drive he feels is "superior" is priced about the same as the Western Digital in the PowerMac. Obviously Rayiner is not aware of the history of Western Digital, or the quality of their products. Based on my experience I wouldn't call them "cheap", or better yet, ask anybody who uses a Raptor.

Whatever. He made no direct comparison of the WD to the Seagate, so I don't see where the "superior" claim is that you are somehow rebutting. The only thing he implied was superior about the Seagate drive was the noise level. RTFA.

Demanding that people to read your thread history is sooooo hypocritical when you're just trolling like an Apple sycophant yourself.

Edited 2005-11-16 00:23

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